Molly Huddle calls out the LRC!

The Obvious Answer wrote:

Alan Bennet wrote:

Is not.

I hate this post.

Which generation?

Have any of you been on a college team?

The amount of shit talking and outlandish BS that gets spewed on long runs and hanging out after practice was a lot like this place. It would piss you off every once in a while but you need to have some thick skin in sports.

I've always thought of this place like that. Talk about girls, politics, fast races and drugs affecting our sport. If you don't want to hear mean stuff don't click the thread. As advised to our President, "don't click the notifications button." But we are drawn to it, much like this girl was sneaking on late at night.

Reality is Twitter, Facebook, the comments on any newspaper or media outlet are just mean. Just because you have a voice doesn't mean you should speak. These outlets feed into the narcissism of our species.

The best thing you can do if it bothers you is to stay away. If you click and engage that's on you, not the haters.

Ok cool, this won't change anything.

Pro's call out the LRC message board and it's users for their toxicity often; the die-hard forum posters who waste too much of their free time online will write off any criticism as whining, and admonish the critic(s) in question for not playing kiss-ass to the losers on here who are conceited enough to actually believe that Ben True, Molly Huddle, whoever, owe them a piece of their success.

Because of course, it's not the hundreds of miles run across pavement, dirt, and rubber that Molly Huddle and Ben True grind out every month to which they should accredit their various records, medals, and elite performances to, it's YOU; (yes, you!) Mr. Anonymous armchair keyboard annalist who made it all possible (dripping sarcasm).

A lot of posters on here seem to be under the impression that their discussion on these boards has somehow elevated American distance running, and maybe was that true in the early years, maybe this used to be a place where intelligent training discussions actually happened...now tabloid-esque commentary on the personal lives and behavior of athletes is the order of the day, while meaningful discussion is far and few in-between.

But like I said, this won't change anything.

The LRC staff put out quality journalistic content that I love, but remain apathetic towards the reputation of the boards. Take a page from Reddit's book, let the users filter content posted on here via voting system, the cream will rise to the top while worthless garbage-posts will sink to the bottom where no one will have to read them.

Obese America wrote:

Shamebackatyou wrote:

I think these pros are a bunch of arrogant stuck up entitled pricks. Double standards. They keep away and deny any moral activism that would jeapordize their income or social echo chamber. They cry about criticism. They expect all the comforts of a social media echo chamber and running income lifestyle as if it's their God given right. This is fake, this is group think, this is sheep weak behavior.

This is the opposite of being candid, real, excellent, genius, courageous, strong and hardworking.

Will you attach your real name to this post?

Of course not. Anonymous coward. Read the last sentence of your post and admit you're only describing yourself.

That's the best response you could come up with, angry person? Lol. "You're a coward!" "You are the opposite of what you said." Wow, good one. Your reply is the verbal equivalent of someone getting angry and pounding the table. Zero skills.

Again pathetic reply by an incompetent moron. You're response is simply to say that I'm wrong, write an insult and post links promoting Molly Huddle.

I post on these forums to promulgate my moral views and my philosophy on running. What I've seen in my life are runners come up through college and into the pros and make all the mistakes and sins people elsewhere in society make. All rat race and fitting in and no soul. They grabbed thousands of Facebook friends, they ignore and excuse the wickedness of their peers because they would look like player haters otherwise. They wh0red around and trampled other people. They worship false authorities and bestow their hopes upon corporate chaperones and championship events. They don't question a screwed up college system, social culture or job market.

They don't question the technology and structure of social media. They conform to majoritarian group behavior and institutions, without considering the costs and consequences. Nobody is producing the magnificent art and culture which the holy name of running requires. They don't care about the holy name of running. Hypocrites. They laugh at and scorn the revelations of running and marriage, the revelations of job reform, school reform, religious reform, media and art reform, technological vigilance, etc. My fellow runners trampled me and watched injustice done to me and lent no hand and repented not once.

Some small criticism towards elites and maybe the errant immature comment that shouldn't be taken seriously, this is not a priority concern. It pales in comparison to my suffering and the sin, shortcoming and shortchanging of the future I've seen in my lifetime.

I come to the message boards because there are gems of truly intelligent and sometimes moral, insightful people. String them together and that is a worthy community. The LRC forum board at its best also approximates the ideals and hopes of the early internet. It of course attracts people who were late to the social media show and have no clue what the Facebook was like from the beginning or what early Internet forums were like.

I don't take credit for elite's fast times. But they do not deserve credit for anything more than fast times. Running is supposed to be a foundry of infinite potential and glory. That brings together utopian communities, betters people, opens their bodies and minds up to great sublimes and thoughts. It should represent chivalry and friendship. Runners should look out for each other and should guard themselves against the vanities of the world. It is a refuge against the broken and false ways prevalent in other sports and our society. Thus, they should write philosophical tracts, be critical of culture and injustice, make monuments and works of art, capture the fruits they have won through running and do everything that would uphold the glory of fast running. The community is like the church, the body of Christ. Not everyone is expected to be perfect or cover all works by themselves, but between all the members a certain standard and threshold must be met. It is not being met. I will not give elites and runners credit for what they are not doing, I will not give undue adulation and worship of them. I will adore the great runner who lives up to the high office of glory.

It's really very simple. As an athlete, your sport has to be popular before people will pay you to compete. The more popular your sport is, the more money you can potentially make because more people are paying attention to it. BUT that attention is never completely (or even mostly) positive, even if you have great success. For example, Tom Brady and Lebron James get ripped on social media thousands of times a day. That's actually a good thing though, because it means millions of people are paying attention to those sports, which is why both those guys make gazillions of dollars. Ditto for movie stars. Elites who complain about LRC seem to be missing the connection between people paying attention to them and the paychecks they get. Expecting that attention to be entirely positive or polite is silly.

TLDR: If you don't want people to criticize you on the internet, do not become a professional athlete.

If this is satire, then you have broken my heart.

If you speak in earnest, then wow, you've nailed how I feel to it's exactness.

Either way, I'm drunk af and feeling mighty euphoric on a Wednesday afternoon.

So let me get this straight. If someone says something obnoxious on social media, the letsrun trolls can jump all over it; but the pro runners are expected to just shut up and take it. Because "popular".

I didn't say that pro runners should just "shut up and take it." Instead, I pointed out that what gets them paid (people paying attention to them) is exactly the same thing that leads to people being critical of them. You really can't have one without the other. So when elites complain about LRC in general (as was the case here, rather than your red herring of them responding to a specific comment) it strikes me as naive and/or dim.

My thoughts exactly. Look at other pro sports and be glad you aren't being called horribly racists and sexist things constantly Cam newton, Colin kerpatnik and others are thugs that need to learn their place. The Williams sisters are trannies. Stuff like that. A few on LRC calling out a actual issue with coaching is mild. You cant be a pro, expect to get paid, and be invisible.

Thought this would be a thread about Molly Huddle's cute little butt, well here ya go

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6a71673694f44f966c816ffa66c7b6a7c243e622/c=0-41-1594-2166&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2016/07/02/CNYGroup/Elmira/636030841755870642-SAL-OlyTrackTrials-ar-43-2-.JPG

[quote]ScottEvil wrote:

I'd be curious to hear any specific ideas elites have on how it can be improved.quote]

It can NEVER be improved. Neither can all the other hate filled sites that litter the internet.

My advice to EVERY athlete or coach is to IGNORE what anybody says except those that really matter and are close to you.

I'm just glad that I didn't have to grow up in the "internet era" and have been able to enjoy and celebrate sports and marvel at the great accomplishments.

Everyone I know that runs professionally thinks let's run is a cesspool that said that's only like 5 ppl. For me it's a guilty pleasure.

People that just run a few days a week for fitness don't know lrc exists (and the worst thing i could do is tell them about it)

most of ppl who read let's run that I know are in college and even they would agree it's pretty bad but it's a guilty pleasure deal. The reason it's bad is:

Toxic/hostile environment (self explanatory)

Bad info on forums maybe 20 percent of advice is useful 50 is made my people who couldn't possibly know anything and the rest is people trolling.

The articles kick ass though totally read those @wejo I liked your "why I sucked in college"

there was also some really good info from the admin "soprano" and from some of the coaches so that stuff is really good, some of the stuff is really funny too

ScottEvil wrote:

it seems sometimes that the brojos themselves are not really aware of what's going on under their watch.

Yes, I don't alway know what's going on. For example, I've been moving into a house during the last week and not been on the website much at all as I hate using my phone for internet and didn't have it installed yet.

I did get a few texts from someone alerting to something about some tweet so I guess this is it.

I don't see what how Huddle is calling me out. She's supporting a teenager who was complaining about anonymous critics. That's not a 2016 problem or LRC creation. It's the very same thing that Roosevelt wrote about in "The Man in the Arena" on April 23, 1910.

It's a human nature problem. That being said, who cares if a few pros are occasionally upset. Seriously. Have you turned on ESPN this week? LeBron is irate that Charles Barkely called him out. Human beings like to think they are perfect and dont like to be criticized. I'd say this tendency is even stronger with public figures as they are used to people fawning over them and telling them they are perfecet their whole lives.

But the average human is upset at their jobs as well. Does your roommate or S/O ever come home and say someone disrespected them at work?

Why are threads about Hadley - including wiping out years old threads that show on Google but have been erased - aggressively deleted?

Jumping the snark wrote:

Look, the majority of elites see Letsrun as a blight on the sport. I'm shocked that anyone would be surprised at that. Spend 5 minutes on these boards, and you'll see why.

LRC provides psychological toughening to those pansy runners. The head cases can't deal with it and fold. The tough ones benefit from LRC.

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