Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I'll be sure to get your permission next time.

Good idea.

Oops. Forgot to ask permission.

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoT95B90cwU&ab_channel=FoxNews

Watch AOC say we need to spend tax dollars on "deprogramming" Trump supporters.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Fat hurts wrote:

But anyone who attacks the Paris agreement on the basis that it is unfair to America is totally missing the point. The climate crisis is an emergency unlike anything mankind has ever faced. Our survival as a species is at stake.

Instead of griping about who pays more we should be in a contest to see which nation is willing to sacrifice the most.

The U.S. plan should to put people to work inventing and building climate solutions, and fixing rotting infrastructure. Less money to the military. Many of the same contractors supporting the military establishment (engineers, manufacturers, and all the people who support them) can reboot to work on climate and infrastructure. The mass of people with military jobs do have somewhere to transition over to.

The agreement represents the old country club style agreement that worked right after WW2 but we're starting to see that a lot of that isn't really applicable to today's world. WHO? Fraud. WTO? Fraud. World Bank? Fraud and extortionary by nature.

The Paris Accord represents all that. But the reality is that the kumbaya days are over. China gets a pass for literally not doing anything different, India doesn't even have to do anything, and meanwhile the US has to put up a % of our GDP to subsidize the world's efforts to go green when emissions have been falling anyways since 2005.

No one disagrees with the end goal or the fact that the US should lead the effort, but this is literally "we're gonna build a wall" or "ban all Muslims" level of stupid

rebooted wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

But anyone who attacks the Paris agreement on the basis that it is unfair to America is totally missing the point. The climate crisis is an emergency unlike anything mankind has ever faced. Our survival as a species is at stake.

Instead of griping about who pays more we should be in a contest to see which nation is willing to sacrifice the most.

The U.S. plan should to put people to work inventing and building climate solutions, and fixing rotting infrastructure. Less money to the military. Many of the same contractors supporting the military establishment (engineers, manufacturers, and all the people who support them) can reboot to work on climate and infrastructure. The mass of people with military jobs do have somewhere to transition over to.

Indeed.

So instead of over-spending on the military, which makes us poorer, we spend on infrastructure that makes us richer. (And we save humanity at the same time - bonus!!)

rebooted wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

But anyone who attacks the Paris agreement on the basis that it is unfair to America is totally missing the point. The climate crisis is an emergency unlike anything mankind has ever faced. Our survival as a species is at stake.

Instead of griping about who pays more we should be in a contest to see which nation is willing to sacrifice the most.

The U.S. plan should to put people to work inventing and building climate solutions, and fixing rotting infrastructure. Less money to the military. Many of the same contractors supporting the military establishment (engineers, manufacturers, and all the people who support them) can reboot to work on climate and infrastructure. The mass of people with military jobs do have somewhere to transition over to.

I see what you did there.

So clever!

Fat hurts wrote:

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoT95B90cwU&ab_channel=FoxNews

Watch AOC say we need to spend tax dollars on "deprogramming" Trump supporters.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

for many years right wingers have been very wrong on facts.

They simply believe false things.

Something has to change...democracy doesn't work if a third of voters believe utter lies.

I don't know how to change this...I suspect the answer will have to come from corporate america though. Not funding egregious Rs, like the ones who voted to overturn democracy this month.

Scare politicians straight, until they stop lying.

We need truth. We can deal with disagreements if they are couched in truth.

Fat hurts wrote:

rebooted wrote:

The U.S. plan should to put people to work inventing and building climate solutions, and fixing rotting infrastructure. Less money to the military. Many of the same contractors supporting the military establishment (engineers, manufacturers, and all the people who support them) can reboot to work on climate and infrastructure. The mass of people with military jobs do have somewhere to transition over to.

Indeed.

So instead of over-spending on the military, which makes us poorer, we spend on infrastructure that makes us richer. (And we save humanity at the same time - bonus!!)

btw the US military is thinking hard about climate change - they could be a source of fixes.

do some googling to see what they are doing and thinking.

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoT95B90cwU&ab_channel=FoxNews

Watch AOC say we need to spend tax dollars on "deprogramming" Trump supporters.

Why does anyone care what she thinks? She's one of 435 House members and other than its leaders, they rank behind, the President, Vice-President, Senators and Governors. She won her election by receiving 110,000 votes.

Few Democrat politicians take her seriously.

Fat hurts wrote:

rebooted wrote:

The U.S. plan should to put people to work inventing and building climate solutions, and fixing rotting infrastructure. Less money to the military. Many of the same contractors supporting the military establishment (engineers, manufacturers, and all the people who support them) can reboot to work on climate and infrastructure. The mass of people with military jobs do have somewhere to transition over to.

Indeed.

So instead of over-spending on the military, which makes us poorer, we spend on infrastructure that makes us richer. (And we save humanity at the same time - bonus!!)

Yeah you can just go ahead and forget that. The US military helps guarantee the security and confidence of our fiat currency and our allies depend on the theoretical force projection as a deterrent to countries like Russia and China going for land grabs and annexations (of course the EU had no problem letting Russia take Crimea, thanks for that fellow NATO friends).

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoT95B90cwU&ab_channel=FoxNews

Watch AOC say we need to spend tax dollars on "deprogramming" Trump supporters.

Why does anyone care what she thinks? She's one of 435 House members and other than its leaders, they rank behind, the President, Vice-President, Senators and Governors. She won her election by receiving 110,000 votes.

Few Democrat politicians take her seriously.

She is one of the very few non-House-leadership people who actually gets coverage in the mainstream media. No one cares what Democrat Bob in Cleveland says. They DO care what AOC says .

Three points.

1. The Montreal protocol is a similar multi-lateral deal that has worked incredibly well to repair the ozone layer. So this kind of agreement is shown to be completely applicable to today's world.

2. China does not get a pass. Neither does India. Plus, both nations are doing far more on green infrastructure than we are. But I think that's about to change.

3. Like I said before, the US should be falling all over itself to do more than the other nations. We have caused a lot more of the problem then China and India.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoT95B90cwU&ab_channel=FoxNews

Watch AOC say we need to spend tax dollars on "deprogramming" Trump supporters.

Why does anyone care what she thinks? She's one of 435 House members and other than its leaders, they rank behind, the President, Vice-President, Senators and Governors. She won her election by receiving 110,000 votes.

Few Democrat politicians take her seriously.

Idealistic politician with cult following and socialist tendencies is easy low hanging fruit. It wouldn't be an exciting show if they discussed potential effects on M0 and M2 of Joe Biden's economic plan as described on page 386, Section 4.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Indeed.

So instead of over-spending on the military, which makes us poorer, we spend on infrastructure that makes us richer. (And we save humanity at the same time - bonus!!)

btw the US military is thinking hard about climate change - they could be a source of fixes.

do some googling to see what they are doing and thinking.

Definitely. For instance, we could shift military budget to the Army Corps of Engineers. Then put them to work on modernizing our grid. That would enhance national security, reduce power outages, and get us ready for more renewables.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Indeed.

So instead of over-spending on the military, which makes us poorer, we spend on infrastructure that makes us richer. (And we save humanity at the same time - bonus!!)

Yeah you can just go ahead and forget that. The US military helps guarantee the security and confidence of our fiat currency and our allies depend on the theoretical force projection as a deterrent to countries like Russia and China going for land grabs and annexations (of course the EU had no problem letting Russia take Crimea, thanks for that fellow NATO friends).

My point is that we spend way more than we need for that. National security would be better served by diverting some of those resources to infrastructure. Right now our power grid is an incredibly soft target.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Paradoxical wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoT95B90cwU&ab_channel=FoxNews

Watch AOC say we need to spend tax dollars on "deprogramming" Trump supporters.

Why does anyone care what she thinks? She's one of 435 House members and other than its leaders, they rank behind, the President, Vice-President, Senators and Governors. She won her election by receiving 110,000 votes.

Few Democrat politicians take her seriously.

AOC has a lot of power because so many listen to what she says. Of course, most of the people listening are on the right!

Montreal was back in 1985. That sort of thing worked better pre-USSR collapse (not to mention it turned out ozone damage was easily reversible).

If you want a great example, look no further than Kyoto - an agreement that basically said nothing material and also exempted China. It was nothing more than a big talkathon and NGO jerk off fest. Paris is the reaction to Kyoto by at least making 3rd world countries responsible for emissions control. How? By straight up being paid by the US and the EU.

Force China and India to cough up several billion dollars and then I'll be on board. Until then, I propose a Made in the USA solution wherein we heavily subsidize green tech and green jobs and export that to other countries (except China because fvck them).

But that would make the WTO sad :(

If you have a better approach to enable international cooperation, I'm sure there would be interest in your ideas. The Paris Accord almost certainly will fail to meet its stated goal of keeping global warming under 1.5C (or 2.0C for that matter), but it's a start.

Also China could "literally no do anything different", but that isn't the case:

Same with India, maybe moreso:

Whatever, it's a done deal anyways so the only thing to do is sit back and hope for a best case scenario.