Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

it's all so tricky...The Rs worked successfully to put Kanye on the ballot in swing states, only to hurt biden.

So what are the Ds supposed to do? Should they lie over and not fight?

Or should they insist on taking the high road?

I don't know the answer.

The problem is always, always an unethical, traitorous, bad-faith Republican Party.

The measures need to match the current risks. I haven't seen evidence of Ds being very aggressive or strategic. They should absolutely be engaging trump and the GOP with disinformation warfare. The gloves should have come off long ago. Those guys act like they don't realize nor care about the danger of trump staying in power. Hit them with all the dirty tricks possible.

It's one thing to fight with all available tools that are acceptable within the system being protected. It's quite another to make up alternate facts. For instance, the Lincoln Project stuff is clearly propaganda, and perhaps a bit hyperbolic, but it is based in reality. Manipulated media as propagated a certain poster and a certain politician is clearly unethical by any standard.

Without a political party that stays withing some reasonable ethical bounds, there isn't a democracy worth saving.

Early in person voting started today in Virginia.

It's strange that Biden is so heavily favored there.

Obama was the first Democrat presidential candidate to win Virginia on over 40 years.

Carter and Bill Clinton couldn't win there.

But now it's on a blue streak.

Anyway, votes are starting to be cast and that shortens the campaign season.

But just for the motivated voters who were un-moveable.

Early in person voting apparently gets counted before mail in ballots.

Here is a link that shows when each states processes their mail in ballots and when they start actually counting them.

No totals are available until after polls close.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx

In my state they don't start even processing the mail in votes until after the election and don't start counting them until 8 am the day after the election.

You won't see MD show blue on election day.

Swing states:

AZ: Tallying can begin 14 days before Election Day, but results may not be released before all precincts are reporting or one hour after the closing of polls on Election Day. Releasing information earlier is a felony.

FL - process and count votes 7 a.m. 22 days before Election Day. Releasing the results early is a felony.

So those votes will be in by the time polls close on election day.

GA: Get counted 7 a.m. on Election Day.

IA: Expects counting to be done by 10 pm election day

MI: They don't start processing them until election day. And they start counting them at the same time.

MN: Get processed a week ahead of time and counted after the polls close.

NC: Processed early. Counted two weeks prior to Election Day, provided the hour and place of counting is announced. Results shall not be announced before 7:30 p.m. on Election Day.

OH: Absentee ballots may be scanned prior to the election, but the count may not be disclosed prior to the closing of the polls.

PA: Processed and counted at 7am on Election Day, but the votes may not be recorded or published until after the polls close.

TX: Counting when the polls open on Election Day. In a jurisdiction with more than 100,000 people, counting can begin at the end of the early voting by personal appearance period.

WI: The processing and counting all happens on election day.

The reporting of results all depends on how well staffed and trained each polling area is.

I think Wednesday after the election will show results of the likely winner.

My feeling is that the vast majority of mail in votes will be in hand before election day.

tl/dr but from what I'm reading this is how things will go down:

early voting: Dems will be way ahead

election day: Trump landslide

as vote by mail gets counted Biden will catch up

Basically a nightmare situation, as Rs send fleets of lawyers out to toss out ballots while the moran in the WH tries to mobilize white militias to seize power. Without a respected spokesperson, the Rs will dominate the news cycle and the media will both-sides it.

agip wrote:

tl/dr but from what I'm reading this is how things will go down:

early voting: Dems will be way ahead

election day: Trump landslide

as vote by mail gets counted Biden will catch up

Basically a nightmare situation, as Rs send fleets of lawyers out to toss out ballots while the moran in the WH tries to mobilize white militias to seize power. Without a respected spokesperson, the Rs will dominate the news cycle and the media will both-sides it.

although some feel enough blue states will count mail ballots before election day...that even on election day we'll know a result.

agip wrote:

tl/dr

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although some feel enough blue states will count mail ballots before election day...that even on election day we'll know a result.

Well, to summarize, I wrote the counting process for each swing state and provided a link for each state.

Anyone think people aren't motivated to vote this year?

Lines are piling up already.

Monkeys typing wrote:

Without a political party that stays withing some reasonable ethical bounds, there isn't a democracy worth saving.

I was going to say something like that, but you said it better.

And agip, these people are in long lines because they are saying they don't trust the mail.

Trump has simultaneously worked to have mail slowed and to shake people's confidence in the mail.

And that is also to shake people's confidence in the election results.

L L wrote:

agip wrote:

tl/dr

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although some feel enough blue states will count mail ballots before election day...that even on election day we'll know a result.

Well, to summarize, I wrote the counting process for each swing state and provided a link for each state.

Anyone think people aren't motivated to vote this year?

Lines are piling up already.

This is like a ride opening at Disney World. People are so excited to vote they will stand in line for hours!

We used to moan and groan about voter apathy. But maybe those were the good ol' days when our democracy was so stable Americans didn't worry about it enough to vote.

Fat hurts wrote:

L L wrote:

Well, to summarize, I wrote the counting process for each swing state and provided a link for each state.

Anyone think people aren't motivated to vote this year?

Lines are piling up already.

This is like a ride opening at Disney World. People are so excited to vote they will stand in line for hours!

We used to moan and groan about voter apathy. But maybe those were the good ol' days when our democracy was so stable Americans didn't worry about it enough to vote.

This guy is arguing that, if it's close, the election will turn on PA. Whoever wins PA wins the election.

Most people's minds are made up, there are few undecideds up for grabs. Winning in PA is all about making sure your supporters turn out and vote. The theory is that a lot of Clinton voters stayed home four years ago and that won't happen again.

Trump is still strong in rural and blue collar areas. Biden is strong in cities and is gaining in the suburbs, particularly among women.

I agree PA is probably the most important state, but there is a likely scenario that Biden can win without it.

If biden wins

AZ

WI

MI

MN

then it doesn't matter what happens in FL and PA.

And honestly...I'd guess Joe will win all of those.

although in theory the proportionate elector systems in ME and NE could turn that to a trump win.

A Republican presidential candidate wasn't gotten over 50% in Pennsylvania since 1988.

High third party candidate votes have prevented anyone from getting 50% a few times (2016, 1996, 1992).

The Green Party (liberal) is off the ballot.

Is anyone talking about Jo Jorgensen of the Libertarian Party this year?

The Libertarian Party will be on the PA ballot, but she will likely take conservative votes from Trump.

PA is looking grim for Trump.

https://www.abc27.com/news/local/there-will-officially-be-a-libertarian-candidate-for-president-on-pennsylvanias-ballot-in-november/

(Sorry if this is too long for agip to read but others may want to take note)

Trump is trying hard to spread disinformation and to make people not trust the election results.

But how well is doing at winning this thing?

He's telling his people not to vote by mail.

Democrats are telling their people, vote by mail, vote early in person or vote in person on election day - but vote anyway you can.

Trump is suppressing his own voters.

The liberal Green Party alternate choice for Biden is pretty much off the table.

Conservatives have choices, including Biden who is like an old school blue dog Democrat.

Trump has done a terrible job with the biggest crisis of his administration - the coronavirus.

And are people really supposed to forget he was impeached for abuse of power and obstruction of justice?

Even senators who voted to acquit say he did those exact things he was charged with - but it wasn't that bad or he'll learn his lesson or something like that.

L L wrote:

A Republican presidential candidate wasn't gotten over 50% in Pennsylvania since 1988.

High third party candidate votes have prevented anyone from getting 50% a few times (2016, 1996, 1992).

The Green Party (liberal) is off the ballot.

Is anyone talking about Jo Jorgensen of the Libertarian Party this year?

The Libertarian Party will be on the PA ballot, but she will likely take conservative votes from Trump.

PA is looking grim for Trump.

https://www.abc27.com/news/local/there-will-officially-be-a-libertarian-candidate-for-president-on-pennsylvanias-ballot-in-november/

(Sorry if this is too long for agip to read but others may want to take note)

Yeah, if you could cut that down to six words or less that would be great!

Thanks :-)

Another thing:

I think main stream media in the past has tried to give the appearance of being non partisan, even if conservatives call them left wing media.

They may be less restrained this year in the light of how Fox News has bent over for Trump.

CNN

MSN/MSNBC

New York Times

Washing Post

All major city papers

ABC

NBC

CBS

They reach a lot of views and readers.

They can slant everything towards Biden.

Social media is up for grabs but people stay in their bubbles.

Young people are much better and sharing ideas through social media than older people. Who does that help?

No one really cites Breitbart much anymore.

Drudge Report is conservative but they don't seem to be trying to help Trump right now.

Here are their headline links: (straight copy and paste)

-Trump's own campaign manager didn't vote for him in 2016, public records show...

-President slams Biden for using teleprompter -- while using one himself!

-On first day of early voting, Virginians line up for hours to cast ballots...

-POLL: 27% SAY COUNTRY HEADED IN RIGHT DIRECTION...

-Gulf between White House's words, actions on masks...

-Promise of October Vaccine Risks Letdown...

-States plan to independently vet data...

-Outgoing ambassador: USA 'believed Chinese'...

-CDC backtracks on controversial recommendations...

-Emails Detail Effort to Silence, Question Its Science...

-Canada extends border restrictions...

-'Pandemic fatigue' leads to resurgence In Europe; Fresh records...

-Emergency tents back as Madrid struggles to curb...

-Second lockdown UK?

The chips are stacking up against Trump.

I just watched the last 10 minutes or so of Biden's comments from Minnesota. He's good. Promised not to raise taxes unless you make more than $400K. Talked about prescription prices. Stuck it to Trump on the payroll tax cut which he says will bankrupt Social Security. Mentioned how after the 2017 tax cut Trump went to Mar a Lago and told people that "you all just got a lot richer".

He looks good, he sounds good. Hopefully he's going to be out there steadily from here on in. I think that some people who maybe buy into the dementia thing or the claim that he's a radical will be surprised - there's nothing radical about him, and he looks and sounds pretty good for a guy his age.

johnny99 wrote:

This guy is arguing that, if it's close, the election will turn on PA. Whoever wins PA wins the election.

Most people's minds are made up, there are few undecideds up for grabs. Winning in PA is all about making sure your supporters turn out and vote. The theory is that a lot of Clinton voters stayed home four years ago and that won't happen again.

No, PA voters for Clinton did not stay home. What happened was that Trump had his supporters drive registered republicans--elderly and Amish-- to the polls to vote. The supporters rented vans and provide drinks and munchies.

The is indeed a fact because a school friend of my wife's who lives in New Jersey was one of those volunteer drivers. She raved about how clever Trump's team was to get them to drive voters in other districts to the polls, and have it entirely done by, and paid, by his supporters. The drivers were given a list of who to pick up where and when. and where the poll destination was.

The same mass caravan trick will come back this year. My wife does not associate much with the college classmate, but she did learn through social media that that friend, and her husband won't be doing the caravan thing again. They are not happy with the Trump they helped elect.

You may be right about Trump people driving voters to the polls, but that doesn't mean that Clinton supporters didn't also stay home. As the article argues, this year it's all about turn out, and maybe Trump did a better job of getting his people to the polls four years ago.

There is no maybe about it. It was done in 2016. Trump did call for it himself. Other people took on that task for him. The inappropriate part is who made up the list of who to pick up, and where and when, and how the driver was coordinated. We know that the friend who was a caravan driver was given a list of people to pickup. In her and her husbands case they picked up Amish people from central PA. They themselves live in NJ near on of the major universities there where her husband works. I had to tell my wife who the Amish were. She had no clue people like that existed in the U.S. (horse and buggy, no automation, types).

Now, the Amish won't drive themselves to the polls. It's against the lifestyle. But it is okay for them to accept a ride from a non-Amish person to do a specific task--like vote.