Do you think Mo, Galen, and Centro are clean?

No clean sub 13.

3:30, pee dirty.

Nike tribe, pay a bribe, all is keen, squeaky clean.

Seriously, the whole sport is dirty at the top, 2 maybe 3 in the top 10 are clean on average across events. The 100m is 100% dirty. The drug testing scheme has more loop holes than a tax haven's revenue code.

Mo in 18 months went from running his best at 26 in Berlin and getting smacked to running sub 13 the next Summer (2010) and was pretty much invincible from the start of 2011 (the odd race aside).

Galen runs along comfortably with the Africans like an African native to high altitude (and they're probably on EPO as well) which is as suspicious as it sounds. But like the others above I too blame Salazar if he was on the source.

Centro, doesn't stick out on the surface but he is incredibly rippled for a distance runner. I must admit I have been suspicious for awhile now.

Don Catlin has basically singled out Salazar as always trying circumvent the rules (basically he is dodgy and the documentary just reiterated what many already knew).

I hope so. I want to see the best out of any athlete.

Agreed

Excellent points, Subway Surfers Addiction. About Salazar, his character is obvious, even if one only considers what he had to admit to: - was coach of drug cheat Slaney- wrote an article that one practically can't be among the top without doping- administered "testosterone medication" to Rupp as teenager- got Grunewald disqualified against the rules- secretly sent drugs in hollowed books- tested androgel on his sons to find out its detection limits. Yes, I know, he had some imho lame excuses for some of those facts, but a) I don't believe him, and b) excuses don't change facts. In conclusion, I would never send an athlete to him.

I agree with Florida coach almost to the T.

About Rupp- when do you think he started doping?? I have a hard time believing it was in high school, or college for that matter. Only the past two olympics?

otcerisker wrote:

I agree with Florida coach almost to the T.

About Rupp- when do you think he started doping?? I have a hard time believing it was in high school, or college for that matter. Only the past two olympics?

Salazar discovered Rupp playing soccer at either 14 or 15 and convinced him to train with Salazar. Magness, while at Nike OP, found a report about Rupp's testosterone levels that indicated doping when Rupp was around 15 as I recall. Don't quote me on this, please go back and look at Epstein's actual reporting for ProPublica, but that's the gist of it.

Rupp never had run track of XC in high school when Salazar discovered him playing soccer I believe, which means whatever Salazar told Rupp to do, he probably did without questioning it at all. That's just my reading of Epstein's work.

It is likely that any runner in the Olympic or WC final is operating in the Grey Zone at least. They are following the letter of the law, but not the intent. They use products that are not banned, but are intended to enhance performance. Some go ahead and use the banned stuff, but try to mask it by micro dosing, using masking agents, doing it only in training then going clean in the last few weeks before a test.

None of those 3 will fail a test for anything that was banned at the time of their test because Salazar and Nike are too careful for that. If something gets banned later (like Meldonium was) and their old samples are retested, we may see what they were using but they still won't be stripped of medals because it was legal at the time.

Passing tests is not that hard even when using illegal substances. All you need is a good plan and some blood / urine testing of your own. There are plenty of coaches who draw athlete's blood on a regular basis who post on these message boards. A little critical thinking and you can understand why.

People don't question other sports like basketball. No one questions Lebron, Curry or Westbrook. They do the tests, prove they are clean and move on with life. They have an elite talent and can do things no other person on this planet can do. Shouldn't we accept the fact that Mo, Centro, and Rupp are freak athletes and they can do things we couldn't imagine.

Yes, I believe doping is a harsh reality in the sport of track and field (and reform about the processes needs to take place) but don't question if they are doping or not solely based off the great things they've accomplished in their career. I'm not saying they are 100% clean will all certainty, but give the dudes a break and don't accuse them of doing something that you have no proof of saying. It's a possibility that they are doping but there also is a good chance that they have worked crazy hard for 5,10,15 years of their life and sacrificed so much to get to the point where they are at. It's pretty stupid to speculate if someone is cheating publicly when you have no proof. It just makes you look silly.

Respect the hard work for athletes and if you have speculations be active and PROVE IT, don't speculate about it and demeanor someones career. It's totally possible and likely they could have actually done it the right way and earn it with sweat and determination.

People would also question it in the NBA if, say, a respected asst coach and a couple former athletes came forth and told a respected news agency and well-known journalist that, say, Curry, was doping. It would be all over the news. But it would have to come from well-regarded witnesses and via a well-regarded news medium.

Which with NOP is what happened.

NBA PED testing is an absolute farce. Lebron was implicated as a client in a PED case and it was mostly covered up/ignored. The majority of athletes who are tops in their respective sports are on PEDs. It's the way of the world. I know people who are currently or have been athletes in MLB, NBA and NFL. According to them drug use is rampant. Some are open and some are quite secretive but yes they best of the best are doped to the gills.