Men's World XC Embarrassment #2

Meyer: Then NOT running the 4K nationals two weeks later was a missed opportunity for him to make an international team if he was in such good shape....like Watson, Gabrielson, Sage, and I hate to admit...even Riley who alos participated indoors. Particularly since there were no World Indoor Championships to follow-up that fine effort.

I'm not calling them out...I asked the question...I wonder what they're doing. Thanks for the answer. Stember & Lunn should just focus on the 800m and their speed this year -- their not going to have the strength for the 1500m.

Does anyone know who Old School is? Is this guy for real?

Old School wrote:

I don't know the answer. Here's what I do know:

Steve Scott: Consistently competed in National Cross-Country...I do not have records o/h that far back. I'll EMAIL him down at University of SD....he coaches...you guessed it -- cross-country.

Jim Spivey: 4 time NCAA Cross-Country All-American. I'll EMAIL him at Vandy where he coaches ---- you guessed it -- cross country.

Sydney Maree: That's an interesting one....obviously he ran for Nova, but I'm not sure on World XC. Being a South African he couldn't compete & if I remember correctly...by the time he got his citizenship he ran for only a couple of years. Last I heard Sydney was in trouble...ethical dealings in his L.L.P. business back in South Africa.

Coach your making me work...I like it.

Exactly you nitwit. NATIONAL cross country. Broe competed in NATIONAL cross country just like a number of other Americans did. Simply because they've chosen not to run in one meet doesn't mean they are not competing in XC.

Old School wrote:

Meyer: Then NOT running the 4K nationals two weeks later was a missed opportunity for him to make an international team if he was in such good shape....like Watson, Gabrielson, Sage, and I hate to admit...even Riley who alos participated indoors. Particularly since there were no World Indoor Championships to follow-up that fine effort.

I'm not calling them out...I asked the question...I wonder what they're doing.

Myers was running indoors. That's what he was doing.

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The meet they choose to skip -- the World XC Championships. Where the greatest gather to represent their country and participate in the toughest race in the world says a lot about their patriotism and what's between their legs. Your post tells me what's missing between your ears there Barney.

uhh but your point was that Scott and Spivey ran US nationals and you applauded them for it. And that's the same as Webb and Broe and the others. What's the difference? You can't knock one without knocking the other.

So maybe you mean that Scott and Spivey are unpatriotic because they didn't run world xc every single year they were an elite? That must be it.

The Coach who cares wrote:

Old School wrote:

Meyer: Then NOT running the 4K nationals two weeks later was a missed opportunity for him to make an international team if he was in such good shape....like Watson, Gabrielson, Sage, and I hate to admit...even Riley who alos participated indoors. Particularly since there were no World Indoor Championships to follow-up that fine effort.

I'm not calling them out...I asked the question...I wonder what they're doing.

Myers was running indoors. That's what he was doing.

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Coach Barney, thanks for repeating what Californian posted earlier...keep those original thoughts coming.

Old School wrote:

Coach Barney, thanks for repeating what Californian posted earlier...keep those original thoughts coming.

you obviously didn't get it though your thick head the first time so i guess you needed to have it repeated to you.

please pay attention.

Your correct....I said they ran national XC, I didn't say that they won it or made the team....that's the difference. The Old School runners wouldn't make a team and then gaff their opportunity to race the best and enhance the US chances to win for some b.s. 5K in Jersey. Not to mention any names....Broe.

real toughie wrote:

Old School wrote:

Coach Barney, thanks for repeating what Californian posted earlier...keep those original thoughts coming.

you obviously didn't get it though your thick head the first time so i guess you needed to have it repeated to you.

please pay attention.

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You sound like an idiot...do you run for Coach Barney?

wondering? wrote:

Does anyone know who Old School is? Is this guy for real?

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I am for real. I am trying to help the United States finish higher in World XC than the 13th & 11th place of the last two years.

Old School wrote:

You sound like an idiot...do you run for Coach Barney?

between the two of us, this idiot seems to be the only one who can retain what he reads.

what does that make you?

real toughie wrote:

Old School wrote:

You sound like an idiot...do you run for Coach Barney?

between the two of us, this idiot seems to be the only one who can retain what he reads.

what does that make you?

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An amused observer of two idiots validating each others deficiencies in a public forum.

Old School wrote:

I am for real. I am trying to help the United States finish higher in World XC than the 13th & 11th place of the last two years.

yah you are a real big help allright. no doubt usatf cant wait to bring you on board. why dont you call a couple more us guys "cowards" or "selfish". that will be sure to make things better.

I think you need this mile vs. world cross thing drilled into your head more. Read this log:

http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/TrainingLogs/scott1981.htm

Steve Scott's 81-82 log. He only did one XC race, the TAC one. I can't remember if the TAC race was used as the trials of world cross or not, but if they were (and judging from the comp. it looks like they were) Steve Scott had to have denied his spot if he were sixth. By your logic, Steve Scott is a wuss.

Secondly, let's assume that it wasn't a qualifier and he didn't bail. Your other argument is that guys who run indoors (Myers, etc) should run cross anyway. And the same with guys like Fam or decided to run the USA road champs races. According to Steve's log he went to NZL did some track races there and then came back during World Cross time (March) and did a road 10k. This is quite similar to what a lot of US guys today are doing, the same ones you are calling out for not running cross. This should show that not everyone does world cross or has it in their plans. And look how Steve did, he had one of his best seasons! If you are going to call Myers or Fam on this, then you have to call Scott.

As for Broe, that's your own beef. It looks like guys in the 80s got spots and denied them. Go back and hack on them too. Or change the name of the thread to "Broe and whoever else are wusses" but don't call out all the other guys...

Old School wrote:

An amused observer of two idiots validating each others deficiencies in a public forum.

children are easily amused

real toughie wrote:

Old School wrote:

I am for real. I am trying to help the United States finish higher in World XC than the 13th & 11th place of the last two years.

yah you are a real big help allright. no doubt usatf cant wait to bring you on board. why dont you call a couple more us guys "cowards" or "selfish". that will be sure to make things better.

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The truth always makes things better...then you can move on to correct the deficiency.

real toughie wrote:

Old School wrote:

An amused observer of two idiots validating each others deficiencies in a public forum.

children are easily amused

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Trust me...I agree & can tell by you and Coach Barney's input.

The truth is you have unfairly and unwittingly mocked some of our top athletes who have been working hard to represent our country in any fashion they can. The truth is you have been wrong about many of the claims you have made when people confront you with statistics. The honorable thing would be to apologize right now for dissing guys like Myers, Fam, Stember, etc.

In regards to my last post, the TAC meet didn't serve as a qualifier for worlds so the second argument goes into effect. Where was Scott when he should be competing at World Cross trials? Getting over some indoor races, laying down some strength work and had a road 10k the following month. Wow what a pansy for not sacking up and representing our country huh? He is just as bad as Myers and Fam since he did the exact training regimen - focusing on what is right for the summer.

And don't bring up the shtick that he had represented the US in World Cross before, then you have to let Broe and Meb off the hook since they have represented the US at Worlds several times as well.

Please be a man and apologize for distorting facts and dissing certain athletes unacceptably.