I found this blog useful (scroll down to see Tim's tips). It breaks down the race into small sections and tells you what to expect.
Good luck. This will be my first CIM too.
Like a lot of folks, I sent a runner there last year to make the trials standard. (Female)
Our goal coming in was to run 2:42.
Looking back at the splits my runner hit
10k @ 6:13 pace
1/2 @ 6:12 pace
20 milles @ 6:11 pace
Finish @ 2:42:02 6:12 pace.
We knew that she had to be patient early.
Thanks... excited. NYC was 2014 windy as hell but at least the temps were nice. Went through the half around 1:15 and backed way down the 2nd half to ensure I finished... I was way over my head at 1:15 ...I had a goal if 2:36 and I finished 2:36:00:)
I remember hitting the half and thinking I could possibly run a 2:30 "someday" on a good-course and good day... I tried last year a Boston and faded to 2:33...so CIM is the new target:) turned 40 years old this year
Sounds like the first 5 miles are a bit of a roller coaster hope to run 5:30-5:45s through them and then hopefully settle in around 5:40s...if my body cooperates I should be able to cruise through 18 near pace and obviously have to figure out the final 10k. Hoping for great weather and flatter roads in California.
California dreaming:) goal is 2:30+~ I know tons of guys start with that goal so should have some people to run with.
It is NOT flatish
Yeah, we definitely must have spent an extended period together as I went through in 1:15 high and ran 2:35 mid. That weather was absolutely horrible - it was my first marathon ever, and I just remember being mostly disappointed that my goal of 2:28-2:29 was out the window with those winds, but also being a little relieved that I could run hard but not have to worry about the clock.
Just figured it all out - you got out ahead of me by a decent amount, but I caught up with you at the half. We went through the 35 and 40k marks within 3 or 4 seconds of each other, so we must have been part of the same group at that point - I tried to drop the group going down 5th Avenue and the wind crushed me and I bonked all at the same time and really struggled the last bit of the race as most of the group then rolled me up. I finished 1 place ahead of you.
The next year, I ran 2:30 in Chicago, 3 months before my 44th birthday. Absolutely no reason why the time you ran at NYC and Boston should limit your ability to produce a 2:30 on a fast course if you put things together.
Smoove,
That day New York was pretty epic as far as wind...
Thanks for the encouragement and advice. Damn 2:30 at 44 is also super motivating. I'm 40 this year and still would love to run at 2:30 plus or minus I'm not that greedy. CIM should be a chance to get close I don't really care about my exact time but I'm certainly going to give it a good effort.
Very encouraging that you were able to put in at 2:30 The next year after NYC I knew the day was slow ....but I hadn't run a marathon in 20 years so I had no clue if it was actually slow or it was just me. I was really happy to run 2:36.... I think CIM Will be a good opportunity for a pretty fast time. Obviously there's the net loss of altitude but I'm not looking for anything in the record books this is just a personal effort. It would be cool be one of the top masters at the race and also click off something reasonably fast. I'm pretty sure my fitness is a bit better than NYC and about the same as Boston... so I should get down there a little bit. Only five days to go so will be interesting. Thanks for the advice and encouragement nice to know that somebody had faster times coming off New York...
There should be some local masters guys trying to run just under 2:30.
Also, there will be a rabbit aiming for a first half of 75:00-75:30 for the elite women. He's just going halfway but he'd be a good guy to stick with. he ran 2:18 at Boston a couple years ago so he probably knows a thing or two.
reed wrote:
Well if you blow your load and miss your PR, I'll say hello as I pass you in mile 26.
don't you always "blow your load" during CIM?
Cim-virgin wrote:
Anyone have any last minute advise for CIM 2016 this weekend?
Weather looks good and I've never run the course. Looks flat-ish and pretty fast.
I've only run Boston and NYC so curious if anyone has a comparison for time or effort. Both NYC and Boston were windy the years I ran them.. 2:36NYC, 2:33 Boston.
I'm have similar fitness maybe a bit more confidence... goal is near or below..2:30. Ran through half at 1:15 at Boston but faded a bit to 2:33 last year. Hope at CIM I can maintain the pace the final 10k. With good weather and less wind I hope to spudder in around or under 2:30' could CIM be 3 minutes faster than a windy warm Boston? Or am I dreaming?
anyone have times or similar efforts on courses? Advice welcome.
It will be cold. Dress in layers you can peak off and ditch if needed.
First mile fast & downhill. Let it roll.
Next 15 miles rolling.
Last 10 miles flat and straight.
Thanks sounds like 15 miles of going +~ 10 seconds per mile on pace... then...Run the final 10 at pace....
*Should going through the half on pace be hard on this course?
NYC/Boston hitting the half was pretty casual around pace...I assume CIM is similar but sounds like the rollers are plentiful... people run fast times at CIM so I can only assume it's not to brutal.
It is a great race the little hills help. Since you start with a little downhill you might consider not being tempted to exceed your goal pace and enjoy the extra energy that this might provide at the end.
Very impressive effort - nice work!
Mr Cim-virgin,
Can you please provide your finish time and a review of your performance? Thanks.
Sincerely,
Interested Parties
i believe i know the OP (hi sam), looking at results it seems as though he ran 2:28 high and won the masters division! hell yeah dude. you're an animal.
I didn't want to put the guy, but he really nailed that run - positive split, but well within a reasonable range. He's making me re-examine my goals for my next marathon!
1 Sarah Kiptoo 2:31:20 5:47 Santa Fe, NM 27
2 Stephanie Bruce 2:32:37 5:50 Flagstaff, AZ 32
3 Lauren Jimison 2:33:21 5:52 El Dorado Hills, CA 26
4 Samantha Bluske 2:36:26 5:59 Toledo, OH 25
5 Tina Muir 2:36:39 5:59 Lexington, KY 28
6 Ashley Brasovan 2:41:35 6:11 Golden, CO 25
7 Lissa Zimmer 2:42:00 6:11 Vancouver, -- 25
8 Kate DeProsperis 2:42:49 6:13 Clarendon Hills, IL 37
9 Hilary Corno 2:43:03 6:14 Encinitas, CA 41
10 Merrilee Blackham 2:44:12 6:17 Ogden, UT 39
11 Melissa Tanner 2:44:15 6:17 Towson, MD 35
12 Jennifer Bergman 2:44:19 6:17 Portland, OR 25
13 Emma Spencer 2:45:40 6:20 Cambridge, MA 26
14 Fionna Fallon 2:45:49 6:20 Acton, MA 29
15 Janet Collar 2:47:16 6:24 Spokane, WA 44
16 Tania Morimoto 2:47:21 6:24 Redwood City, CA 26
17 Meshelle Rich 2:47:32 6:24 Chicago, IL 42
18 Molly Friel-Dowling 2:48:47 6:27 Fresno, CA 49
19 Jennifer Bayliss 2:49:18 6:28 Danville, CA 46
20 Denise Robson 2:49:37 6:29 Dartmouth, -- 48
21 Angela Moll 2:49:40 6:29 San Diego, CA 39
22 Ziyang (Sophia) Liu 2:50:09 6:30 Kirkland, WA 33
23 Sarah West 2:50:19 6:31 Seattle, WA 32
24 Allison Drynan 2:52:11 6:35 Toronto, -- 40
25 Kristin Johnson 2:52:22 6:35 Chicago, IL 26
1 Nelson Oyugi 2:11:41 5:02 Albuquerque, NM 24 Elite Male
2 Elisha Barno 2:11:52 5:02 Santa Fe, NM 31 Elite Male
3 Daniel Tapia 2:12:28 5:04 Mammoth Lakes, CA 30 Elite Male
4 Eric Fernandez 2:14:09 5:08 Flagstaff, AZ 26 Elite Male
5 Scott MacPherson 2:14:17 5:08 Columbia, MO 29 Elite Male
6 Kiplangat Terer 2:16:29 5:13 Sante Fe, NM 31 Elite Male
7 Jacob Chemtai 2:17:04 5:14 Albuquerque, NM 29 Elite Male
8 Eric Finan 2:17:51 5:16 Eugene, OR 27 Elite Male
9 Brendan Gregg 2:18:33 5:18 DAVIS, CA 27 Elite Male
10 Robert Winslow 2:19:47 5:21 Guelph, -- 28 Elite Male
11 John Raneri 2:19:56 5:21 New Fairfield, CT 25 Elite Male
12 David Sinclair 2:20:58 5:23 Flagstaff, AZ 24 Elite Male
13 Eric Noel 2:21:05 5:24 San Luis Obispo, CA 29 Elite Male
14 Ramiro Guillen 2:21:29 5:24 Goleta, CA 34 Elite Male
15 Matthew Fecht 2:22:17 5:26 Warren, MI 33 Elite Male
16 Alex Wilson 2:22:43 5:27 Troy, MI 24 Elite Male
17 Dylan Belles 2:23:48 5:30 Flagstaff, AZ 23 Elite Male
18 Steven Tyler Underwood 2:23:55 5:30 ENCINITAS, CA 29 Elite Male
19 Mason Frank 2:24:45 5:32 Bloomington, MN 27 Elite Male
20 Evan Elder 2:24:56 5:32 Vancouver, -- 24 Elite Male
21 Benjamin Mears 2:25:40 5:34 Mountain View, CA 28 Elite Male
22 Patrick Reaves 2:25:51 5:34 Portland, OR 32 Elite Male
23 Rick Cota 2:25:58 5:35 Plumas lake, CA 28 M25-29
24 Sergio Reyes 2:26:02 5:35 Palmdale, CA 35 Elite Male
25 Anthony Tomsich 2:26:10 5:35 Fairbanks, AK 29 Elite Male
26 Ben Fletcher 2:26:14 5:35 Albuquerque, NM 30 Elite Male
27 Scott Olberding 2:26:47 5:37 Portland, OR 28 Elite Male
28 Patrick Fernandez 2:27:32 5:38 La Verne, CA 29 Elite Male
29 Joseph Darda 2:27:33 5:38 Irvine, CA 29 Elite Male
30 Scott Downard 2:28:01 5:39 Norman, OK 33 Elite Male
31 Ben Keck 2:28:05 5:40 Redding, CA 32 M30-34
32 Mathew Weissinger 2:28:36 5:41 Portland, OR 29 Elite Male
33 Chikara Omine 2:28:40 5:41 Daly City, CA 34 M30-34
34 Sam Krieg 2:28:51 5:41 Pocatello, ID 40 M40-44
35 Micah Adams 2:28:57 5:42 Pullman, WA 25 M25-29
36 Nicholas Spector 2:29:14 5:42 Sonoma, CA 24 Elite Male
37 Justin Patananan 2:29:14 5:42 Lancaster, CA 36 M35-39
38 Ian Nurse 2:29:33 5:43 Brookline, MA 38 Elite Male
39 Rob Bond 2:29:44 5:43 Boston, MA 27 Elite Male
40 Declan McDonnell 2:30:11 5:44 Minneapolis, MN 27 M25-29
41 Tom Clarke 2:30:31 5:45 Phoenix, AZ 45 Elite Male
42 Charles Davis 2:31:48 5:48 GRAFTON, MA 23 M Visually Impaired
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