Terence Crutcher's hands went down before being shot. He's attempted gun violence against cops before & is ex-con.

You missed this...

Ok, fair enough answer. Thank you. What I'm not able to connect, is that regardless of skin color, if someone's car is broke down, and a cop pulls up, most people would simply wave and greet an officer with an explanation of what is going on.

If she pulled up, and he immediately put his hands in the air, is there not a cause for suspicion, and ultimately, a heightened sense of defense?

I'm not trying to cover for the cop... I'm trying to piece together a progression of how these types of situations (that happen everyday), usually end with no problem. And by usually, I mean, nearly always.

The original thread on this subject appears to have been deleted. It had links to some good articles that explained the situation starting with a 911 call from a person that interacted with Crutcher before the police arrived.

Even that person said it looks like he's been smoking something (paraphrasing from memory)

Upon initial contact, Crutcher's hands kept going to his pockets. That will make any copy nervous regardless of the color of your skin.

I will look for the article and post a link.

He ain't have no gun. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. He had a book. In Charlotte. North Carolina.

speak wrote:

The original thread on this subject appears to have been deleted. It had links to some good articles that explained the situation starting with a 911 call from a person that interacted with Crutcher before the police arrived.

Even that person said it looks like he's been smoking something (paraphrasing from memory)

Upon initial contact, Crutcher's hands kept going to his pockets. That will make any copy nervous regardless of the color of your skin.

I will look for the article and post a link.

Not the article I saw the other day but a good transcript of the 911 call.

The caller describes his encounter with Crutcher.

Thank you, speak. And now, the missing link. What happened upon the officer arriving at the scene? I doubt an officer just pulls up and hops out of the car with gun drawn. Especially when the calls are not reporting violence.

Excuse the f**k out of me for being nervous around cops but I have a right to be based on the actions of cops toward blacks. You should know that we are treated differently without regard for the law. All blacks have a heightened sense of defense when a cop shows up. We are treated as guilty until proven innocent. I have been pulled over dozens of times and "checked out" when I had done nothing wrong. Fortunately no cops decided to go crazy and shoot me, but all I was doing was driving down the street and going the speed limit. The difference was, I was driving while black. The female police officer probably went into "arrest or shoot the big, bad black man" mode rather than "what's wrong with your car, sir?" mode.

Larry Goldstein wrote:

I doubt an officer just pulls up and hops out of the car with gun drawn. Especially when the calls are not reporting violence.

Why do you doubt that?

I'm gonna give in to you, troll runner...

You've "been pulled over dozens of times", but "fortunately, no cops decided to go crazy and shoot me (you)". Well, your experiences sure doesn't help the "police are racist" narrative. Lose.

"The female officer PROBABLY went into"........... so, now you're just creating hypotheticals.

/roast

Officer Betty Shelby:

Admits to drug use in the past

Has been accused of excessive force in the performance of her duties for pulling a gun on somebody who was hiding to avoid being served a warrant.

Has two documented incidents of domestic violence with protective orders being sought against her.

Was not responding to the 911 calls referenced above but apparently happened upon the accident.

Because people break down everyday, and very very very few, are shot. I live in really big city, where cars are stranded multiple time per day, and it just doesn't happen.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Larry Goldstein wrote:

I doubt an officer just pulls up and hops out of the car with gun drawn. Especially when the calls are not reporting violence.

Why do you doubt that?

Was she the first officer to draw their weapon?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Officer Betty Shelby:

Was not responding to the 911 calls referenced above but apparently happened upon the accident.

speak wrote:

The original thread on this subject appears to have been deleted. It had links to some good articles that explained the situation starting with a 911 call from a person that interacted with Crutcher before the police arrived.

Even that person said it looks like he's been smoking something (paraphrasing from memory)

Upon initial contact, Crutcher's hands kept going to his pockets. That will make any copy nervous regardless of the color of your skin.

I will look for the article and post a link.

I live in a college town. Tonight, literally thousands of white guys will be acting strange and clearly under the influence of a substance. Dozens of them will have interactions with police. None of them will be shot.

Your logic somehow only applies to scary black people. Let me know when a drunk frat boy gets his head blown off because he was clearly on something and acting a bit strange. If that becomes the norm, my town will look like the aftermath of D Day. I won't hold my breath, though. That excuse, again, is only used when the guy who gets shot is black.

Another article with a decent timeline of what went on starting with the 911 calls, Betty Jo arriving and reporting back to dispatch that "he won't show me his hands."

http://www.kjrh.com/news/timeline-tpd-fatal-officer-involved-shooting

According to what I have read she pulled her gun prior to any other officers arriving on the scene. Cant say for sure as that is all based on police self report. By the time the first recording starts there are multiple officers with drawn weapons.

black runner wrote:

Excuse the f**k out of me for being nervous around cops but I have a right to be based on the actions of cops toward blacks. You should know that we are treated differently without regard for the law. All blacks have a heightened sense of defense when a cop shows up. We are treated as guilty until proven innocent. I have been pulled over dozens of times and "checked out" when I had done nothing wrong. Fortunately no cops decided to go crazy and shoot me, but all I was doing was driving down the street and going the speed limit. The difference was, I was driving while black. The female police officer probably went into "arrest or shoot the big, bad black man" mode rather than "what's wrong with your car, sir?" mode.

Were you so nervous that you wouldn't show your hands, then unexpectedly put your hands in the air and walk around ignoring commands?

I've been nervous before but never that nervous.

You cop haters must think that this is the first encounter that the officer has ever had with a black man. She's been a cop for a couple of years, I guarantee she has encountered, worked with, and or arrested black people before.

What made this situation different? The answer of course was the actions of Crutcher. By not showing his hands initially he escalated the situation right off the bat putting the cop on a heightened sense of danger. Not complying, even with his hands in the air, only made the situation worse. Any movement after that is just flirting with danger.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Officer Betty Shelby:

Admits to drug use in the past

**smoked pot a couple times as a teenager BIG DEAL

Has been accused of excessive force in the performance of her duties for pulling a gun on somebody who was hiding to avoid being served a warrant.

**this is a lie. She was part of a "use of force" report when attempting to serve a felony warrant. It was not an excessive use of force report.

Has two documented incidents of domestic violence with protective orders being sought against her.

** She produced proof and the orders was not issued.

Was not responding to the 911 calls referenced above but apparently happened upon the accident.

**About the only honest statement you have made here.

Stick to facts **. No need to add BS to an already tense issue.

Larry Goldstein wrote:

This doesn't answer my question... why were guns pulled?

Guns were pulled because the cop was scared. She said he was acting weird like was on drugs and put his hands up before she asked him to.[/quote]

[quote]off base wrote:

Q: Why were you scared?

Cop: He was acting weird like he was on drugs.

Q: How was he acting weird?

Cop: Well, he was black. So I shot him.

Larry Goldstein wrote:

This doesn't answer my question... why were guns pulled?

off base wrote:

Guns were pulled because the cop was scared. She said he was acting weird like was on drugs and put his hands up before she asked him to.

Q: Why were you scared?

Cop: He was acting weird like he was on drugs.

Q: How was he acting weird?

Cop: Well, he was black. So I shot him.

You literally provided nothing.