Men: why are promiscuous women considered undesirable?

madmandoc wrote:

They aren't, as long as all you want is sex. But you might want a quality relationship, someone who makes you feel loved and supported, someone for the long term, a marriage that doesn't end with her taking half your stuff and leaving, or a mother of your children. Why would a promiscuous woman be suitable for these roles?

It has always been more useful to assess a person by what they do than by what they say. What is a promiscuous woman's behavior telling you? It is telling you that she lives in the moment and will act for her immediate gratification. It is telling you that she is ok with discarding relationships close enough to be sexual ones. It is telling you that she is often open to the next exciting thrill that comes along and thus might be about to cheat on you or leave you for the better looking guy at the gym (and there is always going to be a better looking guy at the gym.) It is telling you that she rejects some of the long held societal norms of female behavior.

Of course all that is totally her right. It is her life and her body. She can do whatever she wants with it. I am not in the least bothered when women decide to take this path. But why should a man who wants more than sex want to have a committed relationship with this person?

Great questions wrote:

I've genuinely wondered about this question. I know tons of otherwise reasonable dudes who say about a particular girl "she's nice and good looking and all, but she's been with too many guys. It's kind of gross." There are a lot of historical/cultural reasons why a guy wouldn't want to be with woman who sleeps around, but I think we've generally progressed as a society past the point where a woman's virginity was prized as her most valuable asset. It makes absolutely no sense to me that a guy would or wouldn't sleep with a girl based on her history, assuming she doesn't have any STDs or anything. Is it honestly a turnoff to know that tons of other guys have been there before?

Serious answers only please. I'm not looking to judge men or women for their sexual preferences. I'm just curious as to why this seems to be the case.

Red Pill Giver wrote:

We Don't Hate Sluts; We Just Recognize Their Low Value

Introduction

One of the common criticisms of the Red Pill philosophy is the supposed contradiction that results from our simultaneous disdain for sluts but willingness to still have sex with them. This "contradiction" is false, and the result of failure to understand what's really going on.

What is a slut?

A slut is commonly defined as a woman who has too many sexual partners. However, this is a superficial perspective. What really makes a slut so despised is their disregard for their own inherent value, and the fact that they give it away so freely.

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, something inherently valuable to men. Men have built and destroyed great empires and many lives in pursuit of the sexual pleasures of beautiful women. We assign (often foolishly) great value to sex. We view it as something worthy of conquest, of effort, and acknowledge that women have the right to withhold it for only the men that have proved themselves as deserving of it.

In this sense, we view sex as a marker of merit. A man who has ample sexual access to beautiful women, whether he's amassed great wealth, chiseled his body into a physical masterpiece, or simply honed his linguistic and social skills to their peak, has clearly done something to deserve the bounty of sex he reaps.

A slut, however, disregards all of this. We expect a woman to evaluate men carefully and be discriminating in her choice of sexual company. Instead, a slut gives that value freely to many different men based on fickle "feelz" and fleeting emotions. In doing so, her sex becomes less valuable because it's given so freely. Why would we work hard for something that's given away easily to so many?

What about men?

This is where it get interesting. Women, because they're the gatekeepers of sex, don't value it as highly as we do. Instead, they place the most value on commitment, the one thing men have control of. This makes the the White Knight, the FriendZoned, the Nice Guy, the male equivalent of the slut. Why? Because this guy comes to her aid, offers valiant defense, resources, and his protection based solely on the fact she's a woman and has a vagina.

Deep down, women inherently know that they have to earn a good man's commitment by being feminine and f**king his brains out to the point he can't get enough and wants to commit on his own accord. Just as men want to be the one that bagged that tight ass and perky tits, women want to be the one that bagged the high-quality guy. It's why, in the beginning of the relationship, the sex is plentiful, naughty, and things like breakfast in bed are common, as the woman is putting in effort to earn that commitment. In contrast, the White Knight/Nice Guy offers all of the commitment, without making the woman prove herself first as a quality woman. In doing so, he reveals that his commitment is of little value since, surprise, it's given so freely to any woman that walks by.

Nobody Respects a Slut!

Unsurprisingly, women get very upset by the manner in which men treat sluts while remaining oblivious to the fact they treat White Knights/Nice Guys with the same disregard and disdain. How many times have you heard a woman talk about how a guy was just "too nice" or "too good a friend" to have sex with? If, like Neo, you can see the code, you realize what she's really saying is, "He's too emotionally easy, and I don't respect or value his commitment because of it." It's quite literally the same thought process as a man who says, "She's a great bang, but she's not girlfriend material." As men, we don't hate sluts; we simply recognize their offering as low-quality and low value, and unworthy of commitment. We use them for the easy sex that they are, just as women use the Nice Guys as emotional tampons and ATMs for free drinks.

The irony is women understand this, even if it's on a subconscious, almost biological level. It's why they never date the Nice Guys until their physical currency begins to wane. It's why they get so upset when they're pumped and dumped or called sluts, as they recognize they're being accurately identified as being disposable and of low value to high-quality men. It's also why women are the first to call each other "sluts," as they know it cuts deeply. It's why women hate prostitution; if men can simply pay for sex, the whole girlfriend package is less appealing and women that offer it less valuable. It's competition, but at the price point they can't match.

In contrast, "slut walks" and "feminist empowerment" are the social equivalent of unions, essentially trying to lower the standards bar while raising the asking price simultaneously. If the value of slutty women is artificially raised, girls won't have to try so hard to be feminine, charming, actually got to the gym to maintain an attractive figure.

Lessons Learned

* Both men and women value most what the opposite controls, and all sexual interaction that follows is essentially a power struggle.

Like in economics, value is determined by scarcity.

* A slut will go have sex with dozens of men, then try to make the next man "wait" because she's "not like that anymore."

* By having sex with so many men, she's devalued her brand equity and made her offering low-quality.

* Attempting to make the next man then wait and "earn" that sexual reward she gave so easily to other men is charging premium prices for what is now a bargain good.

* Women are physical sluts; men are emotional sluts.

Women treat emotional sluts with the same disdain that we treat physical sluts. If men are hypocrites for pumping and dumping sluts, then women are the same for using and abusing Nice Guys.

Don't be a slut, and understand your own value.