Can we have some input from the old geezers?
Steve Williams
Edesel Garrison
Ivory Crockett
Reggie Jones
Christer Garpenborg
Ben Vaughn
Warren Edmonson
Jan Werner
Jean-Claude Nallet
The Mills twins from A&M
Bunch of Abilene Christian white boys
Can we have some input from the old geezers?
Steve Williams
Edesel Garrison
Ivory Crockett
Reggie Jones
Christer Garpenborg
Ben Vaughn
Warren Edmonson
Jan Werner
Jean-Claude Nallet
The Mills twins from A&M
Bunch of Abilene Christian white boys
There are some folks who had roughly equal times in age group competitions or high school but those guys didn't make it to the international stage so they aren't relevant to this discussion.
Obea Moore and Sultan McCullough come to mind immediately.
Gulan Rapp wrote:
I would say Nierkerk as well, only sprinter to go sub 10, 20, and 44
Except 43.03 is dramatically better than 9.98? WVN is one of the few guys to be world class in all the sprints, but he's a really bad answer to the question posed by this thread: he's dramatically better over 400 than 100.
Let it Rupp wrote:
Yeah the 400m is definitely more demanding on the endurance side. But I just find it weird that a 100/200 sprinter and a 200/400 sprinter could have equally good 200m times, but completely different 100 and 400 times (if that makes sense). Case and point - Michael Johnson (although he probably never ran an open 100m close to his potential).
Same deal in the 800m.
Think of the Rio men's final. Makh and Rudisha were 0.6s apart but one can run 3:28 and the other maybe 3:36+
Over the 400 Makh is probably 46+ (47 low?) And Rudisha could push 45 flat when he is in the height of summer.
HurdleMVP wrote:
Xavier Carter 10.00 / 44.53. Almost dead even by most scoring tables.
Crazy thing about this is it was the same day!
Joel Przybilla wrote:
Obea Moore and Sultan McCullough come to mind immediately.
McCullough ran 10.41 and 45.8 in HS, I think. Of course, he went on to drop his 100 a couple tenths and I doubt he ran many 400s. What did Obea run in the 100?
messi: Good call on Steve Williams. He's on this list (not updated for new 400m world record) and his 100m and 400m times are pretty close. His 400m time is converted from hand timing:
http://trackandfieldnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1735
Steve Lewis, Jeremy Wariner, and Butch Reynolds not even on the list. I'm guessing it is due to lack of a 100m time.
kimani wrote:
Joel Przybilla wrote:Obea Moore and Sultan McCullough come to mind immediately.
McCullough ran 10.41 and 45.8 in HS, I think. Of course, he went on to drop his 100 a couple tenths and I doubt he ran many 400s. What did Obea run in the 100?
Obea never ran an open 100m but was on some good 4x100s but I would guess he was as fast as McCullough over 100m. After I posted his name I went to his IAAF page and realized I'd stuck my foot in my mouth...
You also won't likely find Donovan Bailey, Bruny Surin, Andre De Grasse, or any of the other sub-10 sprinters trained by Dan Pfaff. The reason is that he doesn't go out beyond about 150 special endurance in training for 100m. Doesn't really give you the lactate tolerance you need for 400, but that isn't needed for 100. Likewise, for a guy like Wariner in the 100. Marion Jones: 10.65 and 49.59, which is quite different from Allyson Felix.
SlowFatMaster wrote:
Steve Lewis, Jeremy Wariner, and Butch Reynolds not even on the list. I'm guessing it is due to lack of a 100m time.
I don't think any of these guys would've run a great hundred...they'd have to be like 9.8x to match their 400 times.
Seems like a lot of people are confusing "good 100/400 times" with "equally good 100/400 times."
Obea may very well qualify, despite no open 100m time on file--dude could fly.