Jenny Simpson had a "I'm Going to Retire" Face

Typical Yanks claiming their darling lost to dopers.

Did BMart lose to dopers too?

More like the "Why did those 3 run way faster than they needed to" face.

Run Doctor wrote:

Typical Yanks claiming their darling lost to dopers.

Did BMart lose to dopers too?

Genzebe's very most likely a doper. And I'm one who thinks Ayana's record is clean until proven otherwise.

GJK wrote:

She was pretty disgusted to be left in the dust. She just can't seem to change gears like the competition.

She used up all her energy running in the front, with a jerky surge and de-serge, while the smart ones ran an even pace, in the back, until the race actually counted. It was a stacked field compared to Rowbury's semi, i would point out too. Cant wait till the final.

GJK wrote:

I was watching the semi's as well. Did you watch Bolt in the semi-final? Do you understand talent in athletics?

Jenny didn't just get dusted by Dibaba. She placed 4th. In her Semi. No one does that on purpose. She just couldn't run fast enough. Muir will eat her lunch as well.

Lol - "No one does that on purpose" ??? Actually, this happens all the time on purpose, as the top FIVE automatically advanced to the final.

You're really not in a place to be questioning other people's knowledge with comments like those above.

"Probably discouraged to be scorched by a woman whose coach was caught dumping syringes into the dumpster. Eff the Dibabas."

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I think you said it like it is! Her acceleration was unnatural and unnessessary. She is clearly on some kind of stimulant. This is pharsical! If Salad Bar were to have been caught putting syringes in the dumpster a few weeks ago, holy hell would have broken loose! This is absurd. I doubt so many of these times now. I didn't see Van Niekirk even smile once after he broke the world record either - very bizarre! What's going on? The womens 10k record is a complete dope joke too! There should be immediatel manitory testing both before and after the race - immediately before and after within minutes, under direct supervision and witnesses. Yup that's right - I want to have someone see Bolt piss into a container and hand it to the official right f'ing then and there! Blood test too! This whole thing is turning into a total crock of $hit!

How many more outrageous performances are we going to witness yet!

I'm turning off the TV!

trainspot wrote:Genzebe's very most likely a doper. And I'm one who thinks Ayana's record is clean until proven otherwise.

This is not an American court of law. There doesn't need to be a presumption of innocence.

Prior to this Olympic final, there had only been five sub-30s ever run by women. And of those five, there was only ever one performance faster than 29:53, and it is a FACT that that time was doped.

So if sub 30s are extremely rare, and no clean runner had ever gone under 29:53, how does someone come along and run 29:17?

That would be the equivalent of Asbel Kiprop running 3:21.85 in the finals.

If no one has ever been under 3:26, and there's been a couple under 3:27, do you assume a 3:21 is clean?

Dibaba has a mustache. Her coach was caught dumping syringes into a dumpster. "Oh no- those weren't for my athletes. I was testing them on myself." Dibaba is doped.

Who's got dirt, doping associations, speculations on Ayana? Her performance alone isn't enough. Same for Radcliffe. Show me the money. Who saw these women take drugs? Who gave them drugs? Who did they hang out with that's "doped to the gills"? CLEAN. /thread

About Ayana, I don't know: not unusual for one generation to have an extraordinary runner way ahead of the curve. Suspicious, yes, but there's no corroborative evidence of any kind. In the case of Dibaba--her coach is caught with syringes of EPO. Let me repeat that: her coach is caught with syringes of EPO. Wait . . . ok, let me repeat that one more time: her coach is caught with syringes of EPO. He's arrested along with the physio for the group. And she is lights out better than anyone else. When she ran 3:50 she probably could have run a decent amount faster. There's not a single woman in the world who could have won any of the fifty states HS Boys State Final in the 100, 200, 400, 800--not even close. Dibaba in top form last year could have won the State final in the 1500 in, what, about forty states? Really?

Devil Dog wrote:

trainspot wrote:Genzebe's very most likely a doper. And I'm one who thinks Ayana's record is clean until proven otherwise.

This is not an American court of law. There doesn't need to be a presumption of innocence.

Prior to this Olympic final, there had only been five sub-30s ever run by women. And of those five, there was only ever one performance faster than 29:53, and it is a FACT that that time was doped.

So if sub 30s are extremely rare, and no clean runner had ever gone under 29:53, how does someone come along and run 29:17?

That would be the equivalent of Asbel Kiprop running 3:21.85 in the finals.

If no one has ever been under 3:26, and there's been a couple under 3:27, do you assume a 3:21 is clean?

I call the shots wrote:

Same for Radcliffe. Show me the money. N. /thread

Radcliffe had at least 3 off blood test scores which were in the range of a 1/100 chance of not blood doping/EPO use. These were from leaked data and she refused to release more information about her blood data even though she had previously called for transparency in athlete test results. The excuses given for the 3 unusual results did not add up scientifically and did not have any evidence to back them up (e.g. badly calibrated lab equipment).

Ayana has been running this way ever since she got burned by Genzebe at a 5,000 where they were trying to set the world record. They had a deal to take turns taking the lead and then no hold barred. But Genzebe didn't hold up her part of the deal and just drafted off Ayana and when Ayana slowed down, would also slow down. She outkicked Ayana at the end. Then last year's world championship, Ayana just ran her own race and took off strong from almost the beginning and beat her. 29:17 is pretty extraordinary, but I think someone calculated her 5k +1:00 and it seems doable.

Tirunesh Dibaba has won her 10ks with her kick. She won by so much in London she didn't need to go below 30:00. No one has challenged her from the getgo as Ayana has done. Not sure why Vivian C. didn't as she just proved she can run sub 30. Everyone has been saying someone needs to challenge MO the way Ayana ran the Beijing race. I don't want to take away from her steadfast accomplishments with no proof.

money shower wrote:

I call the shots wrote:

Same for Radcliffe. Show me the money. N. /thread

Radcliffe had at least 3 off blood test scores which were in the range of a 1/100 chance of not blood doping/EPO use. These were from leaked data and she refused to release more information about her blood data even though she had previously called for transparency in athlete test results. The excuses given for the 3 unusual results did not add up scientifically and did not have any evidence to back them up (e.g. badly calibrated lab equipment).

Radcliffe's values were only slightly off and nothing like the shark's teeth values of caught dopers. Explained by high altitude and dehydration from testing post-race which is no longer allowed. I repeat- Every single caught doper had a dark cloud around them. There is none with Radcliffe, or Ayana at the present. Dibaba most definitely yes.

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Typical Yanks claiming their darling lost to dopers.

Did BMart lose to dopers too?

Silly Brit. BMart lost to Raevyn Rodger's spike in the shin. Didn't you notice all the tape?

... And I'm one who thinks Ayana's record is clean until proven otherwise.

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GJK wrote:

I was watching the semi's as well. Did you watch Bolt in the semi-final? Do you understand talent in athletics?

Jenny didn't just get dusted by Dibaba. She placed 4th. In her Semi. No one does that on purpose. She just couldn't run fast enough. Muir will eat her lunch as well.

Oh, you said "eat her lunch", I was going to ask for pics. never mind.

Let's keep in mind how many Olympic Golds that Jenny Simpson has in her closet. My recollection is that she has a pretty poor record at the Olympics and her tactics are suspect (taking the lead, getting blasted last 400m...)

Here is 2012,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_2012_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_1500_metres

bladerunner wrote:

I thought Jenny never looked better. She looked very pretty when they focused on her before the race. Of course, leave it to the losers on this board to post negatives about American athletes.

+1

I call the shots wrote:

money shower wrote:

Radcliffe had at least 3 off blood test scores which were in the range of a 1/100 chance of not blood doping/EPO use. These were from leaked data and she refused to release more information about her blood data even though she had previously called for transparency in athlete test results. The excuses given for the 3 unusual results did not add up scientifically and did not have any evidence to back them up (e.g. badly calibrated lab equipment).

Radcliffe's values were only slightly off and nothing like the shark's teeth values of caught dopers. Explained by high altitude and dehydration from testing post-race which is no longer allowed. I repeat- Every single caught doper had a dark cloud around them. There is none with Radcliffe, or Ayana at the present. Dibaba most definitely yes.

Oh yes there is a dark cloud of suspicion around Radcliffe but you choose to ignore it. Here are the 3 leaked off score results compared with other British endurance athletes in the bottom graph:

All three leaked test results were around the 1/100 threshold possibility for blood doping/EPO use even when corrected for altitude. These are not "slightly off" by stretch of the imagination.

The dehydration excuse has been debunked many times on these boards and when this excuse was trotted out it was also followed by the other excuse of lab equipment calibration error for which there was no evidence. The post race testing procedure excuse has been debated in its timing from eyewitnesses who state a different timing of the test to Radcliffe's story and the method used does not explain the big jumps in hemoglobin before and post race at WHM champs.

The most damning is that there has been a refusal to release the other blood test scores from someone who was previously all about transparency. Together, with the leaked scores they would probably show the sharks teeth distribution that you are talking about.