what is the starting point of an untrained individual?
can a freshman run into sub18 5k in his first year?
what is the starting point of an untrained individual?
can a freshman run into sub18 5k in his first year?
Depends on the individual, and yes a physically gifted one could/ There are stories of 9yr. olds running 17-18min for 5k. High-Schoolers from Oregon run 15-17min for 5k off of 25miles/wk. all the time, so that 9 yr. old thing seems possible. I can tell you where I started and my knowledge of my high school's XC/Track typical runner and where most males stop improving. My first year of running, I built up to running 25-35miles a week 5 days a week.
1st Year PRs Progression
64 400m
15.62 100m
800m 4:07 to 2:45
Mile 8:14 to 5:44
Two Miles 19min. to 12:35-12:45
5k 33min. to 20:20.7
Currently, with 1.5 years experience and averaging 40miles with a 50 occasionally and cycling 30-35miles/week, these are 2:40, 5:40, 12:30, and 19:37 respectively.
I notice that males tend to stagnate at
4:15-4:30 Mile
Two Miles 9min-10min.
5k in 15:5x-16min.
10k 32-34min.
Half Mary in 1hr16min.
Marathon in 2:45-2:59
Some faster than those of course, but these are the numbers I've noticed most often after 7-10years. Average High school senior males in my area have PRs like so.
800m: 2:05-2:10
Mile: 4:5x
Two-Mile: 10:30-11min.
5K: 16:5x high XC
I hope this data helped you figure out what you're looking for Thanks for reading.
thank you for your reply. i really appreciate your effort.
but i wonder if why male stagnates at these data. most runners by my side are stopped by lack of improvement through these points.
why dont they run into sub15 or sub31 like the runners in japan?
As far as I know, there are no reliable parametrized models. Details aside (I don't know enough), untrained runners will see huge jumps in performance. I guess talent alone determines your ultimate ceiling. Increasing training stimulus will get you to your ceiling, if you don't get injured. There is only one way to find out...
Former co-coach at a decently competitive team at regional level.
Sub 18 for freshman without much racing training background prior to that is good, and shows talent. Over about 5 years we would have one or two kids a year at that level, but some had a pretty strong sports background. By sophomore or junior year they were doing low-sub 16. The kids did not improve after junior year because the other coach was a believer in 40 mile weeks (30-40 in season), and felt that 50+ would lead to burnout and injury. So the kids didn't improve after junior year and then lost interest in striving to get to the next level.
Yep, a training model based on fear.
Here's the Japanese running mileage:
http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.ca/2008/11/deeper-and-deeper-goes-greatest-half.html
So 500 Japanese are running 13.1 miles @ sub 5:34 mile pace in one race.
What do you see here, OP?
A lot of what was said in this thread explains those average 10years. training PRs I mentioned earlier. Some people never run their work capacity's worth of mileage consistently for years coz' of lifestyle, priorities and such. Another factor could be someone's basic speed. Can they do 40yd. in less than 5secs.? What was their 100m time before training? A pretty average 400m time of OTQ Marathoners and even 15:5xhigh 5kers is 58 secs.
Technically, all distance runs are just percentages of our maximum velocities, the only things limiting us is our basic speed (I'd say 400m would be most significant in distance success; the 400m is built by sprint training though), and our aerobic capacity: the fitness of our hearts and mitochondria to carry us at certain intensities for time.
You have a lot to say with your minimal experience.
talentmeaning wrote:
what is the starting point of an untrained individual?
can a freshman run into sub18 5k in his first year?
There is no average untrained individual and there is no average response to training.
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