insane - the master at work
the 800m is His distance, all should fear Him
insane - the master at work
the 800m is His distance, all should fear Him
Gold medal in Rio and GOAT
His splits were not amazing. They were fine.
ergerg wrote:
insane - the master at work
the 800m is His distance, all should fear Him
Rudisha should fear Alfred Kipketer who's beaten him and everybody else multiple times this year
Gunior wrote:
His splits were not amazing. They were fine.
You are an idiot.
Those splits are highly unusual. 51.9 / 51.4.
Find me a faster second lap in a race that fast. I won't hold my breath.
Moron.
Also note the 11 runners in 8 lanes - with no goofy waterfall start.
come on guy wrote:
Gunior wrote:His splits were not amazing. They were fine.
You are an idiot.
Those splits are highly unusual. 51.9 / 51.4.
Find me a faster second lap in a race that fast. I won't hold my breath.
Moron.
You are the idiot. The splits were fine. Nothing amazing about them. IF you were amazed, it manifests how puny your intellect is.
Rudisha looks like he would have been good at any sport
So if he split 51.9 and 51.4, you find that amazing. I am amazed by his splits of 49.28 and 51.63. The latter are amazing splits. The former not so much.
come on guy wrote:
You are an idiot.
Those splits are highly unusual. 51.9 / 51.4.
Find me a faster second lap in a race that fast. I won't hold my breath.
Moron.
You are mistaken. Amazing and unusual are two different words. They do not mean the same thing. The fastest way to run is even or slightly negative splits.
You are not an 800 runner or coach, clearly.
bgh wrote:
You are mistaken. Amazing and unusual are two different words. They do not mean the same thing. The fastest way to run is even or slightly negative splits.
Hysterical Anecdote wrote:
You are not an 800 runner or coach, clearly.
I don't need to be. There is nothing special about the 800m. It does not defy the laws of physics. The best way to run your fastest at any event is even effort. If you are tying up at the end then you went out too fast. 800m runners don't know the difference between correlation and causation.
MakwalaFan wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hXA7wHmhJsFastest time in the world this year. What is amazing about this run are his splits. Som hits 400m at 50.9, but it's a decent gap to Rudisha. I timed Som 3 times and averaged 50.65; Rudisha and averaged 51.65 ... so add the .25 and he was 51.9 at the bell.
1:17.84 at 600m, which gives a last 200 of 25.51.
It looks like Rudisha negative split then, 51.9/51.45 !
I am not sure I was actually say negative split, while technically correct, but as a practical matter, I would call the difference of a few tenths even splits. Perhaps Rudisha can run this way in a 1:43 race, but when he decides to run fast as in 1:40/1:41, he certainly want be negative splitting. The fact that he was able to run even splits tells me he in in great shape and is back to his old self.
Good performance for Rudisha, but nothing spectacular. In London he averaged much faster then his 2nd leg here. But he still has time and also his opposition doesn't look as strong as in 2012.
Now he really has a good chance to succesfully defend his Olympic title.
bgh wrote:
There is nothing special about the 800m. It does not defy the laws of physics. The best way to run your fastest at any event is even effort. If you are tying up at the end then you went out too fast. 800m runners don't know the difference between correlation and causation.
I suspect you're just a troll, but when you talk about pacing you have to understand physiology as well as physics.
http://sportsscientists.com/2007/09/iaaf-world-champs-mens-800m/Very, very few world records at ANY distance are set with "even" pacing. The optimal pacing pattern depends on the distance, because of the interplay of different energy systems. For a world-record 800 meter race, a typical positive split is about two seconds. That's not because the world-record setters screwed up.
said88, I will be in Germany soon. Can you give me some details about the film that you got and the organization where you got it?
Thanks.
Negative splits in an 800m this fast are very rare. There are different energy systems at work in the different stages of an 800m. That makes the rule of thumb, a half second slowdown per 200m, make sense. Some of the 400/800 guys are going to do better by going out fast and doing positive splits, while the 800/1500m guys will be redlining if they go out that fast but can come closer to even splits.
bgh wrote:
Hysterical Anecdote wrote:You are not an 800 runner or coach, clearly.
I don't need to be. There is nothing special about the 800m. It does not defy the laws of physics. The best way to run your fastest at any event is even effort. If you are tying up at the end then you went out too fast. 800m runners don't know the difference between correlation and causation.
Wait, what? You going to offer up any "physics laws" to support this claim?
Sorry bgh but negative splits is not the way to run an 800. Distance races yes in theory but not an 800.
hold the phone wrote:
I suspect you're just a troll, but when you talk about pacing you have to understand physiology as well as physics.
http://sportsscientists.com/2007/09/iaaf-world-champs-mens-800m/Very, very few world records at ANY distance are set with "even" pacing. The optimal pacing pattern depends on the distance, because of the interplay of different energy systems. For a world-record 800 meter race, a typical positive split is about two seconds. That's not because the world-record setters screwed up.
That link does not support your argument. It supports mine. I just talked about people not understanding the difference between correlation and causation. You prove this by providing that link. Just because everyone runs a certain way does not mean that is the best way.
The optimal pacing does not depend on the distance. The reason the 5000 and 10000 have a fast closing lap is because they had no pacers and had an extra amount of energy at the end. If the had stretched this kicking energy over the previous laps, then they would have run faster overall. The link even explains this. It says:
"What this means, practically, is that even the elite have left themselves something in reserve for the final kilometer. You may be thinking that this indicates that the athletes are not performing maximally, because surely, if you have enough for a sprint at the end, you might have been able to go quicker in the middle part? And you’d probably be right."
There is no interplay of different energy systems that prevents 800m runners from running even splits. 800m runners keep running non-even splits because of tactics, habit, because of the "because everyone else is doing it" mentality that you are showing, or whatever else.
Again, providing that link shows that you don't understand the difference between correlation and causation. There is nothing scientific about the information in that link. All it says is "this is the best way to run because most people run this way". That makes no sense at all.
That is like saying the best way to train is to run X mpw because most people run X mpw. That is statistics. Correlation. Not proof or science. Nothing in that link even talks about physiology.
yeah, obviously the world record splits are amazing. thanks man, big stretch there. way to go out on a limb1:43.35 on negative splits just doesn't happen. don't be contraire, you know it's hyper rare and and amazing way to race an 800mlike the poster above said, tell me a race that fast with negative splits. we're all waiting for your response
Gunior wrote:
So if he split 51.9 and 51.4, you find that amazing. I am amazed by his splits of 49.28 and 51.63. The latter are amazing splits. The former not so much.