Also , Whistler / Blackcomb is really over rated . Very expensive , loud American tourists, and typically bad weather. Ski in the beautiful Alberta rockies , you will find great snow conditions , and great family values. On the Ski hills you won't find muslim radicals, black brothers wearing low jeans looking for stuff to steal , human feces on the sidewalks like San Fran ....
I don't like to generalize or stereotype, but Canadians are lazy hosers and most of the women are pear shaped and have bad teeth.
And the politeness shit is an act. They're angry and spiteful and petty.
concerned canuck wrote:
hehateme wrote:The canadiens dont have the black culture epidemic and dont have to deal with leroy and jamal shooting up the neighborhood.
No, but we have to pay billions of dollars per year to fund the corrupt First Nations reserve system. Most of the chiefs "earn" salaries of hundreds of thousands of dollars/year (tax-free) from government handouts and use the rest of their funds to hire friends/family to high-paying joke positions. The rest of the reserve members live hopeless existences in dire poverty and there is rampant crime as well as drug and alcohol abuse. Harper had forced the chiefs to be transparent with their expenses, but Trudeau cancelled this while pledging billions more per year in order to bribe them into voting for him. Canada's apartheid.
Trudeau is also bringing in 50,000 Syrian Muslims/year for the next 4 years. There is ZERO plan for integrating them into Canada, so we are likely going to be facing the same problems as Europe in the coming years/decades. Trudeau has made it so that you can gain citizenship without even making an attempt to learn one of the official languages. How are new citizens ever going to find employment or integrate into society (outside of their closed ethnic ghettos) if they aren't willing to learn one of our national languages?
Multiculturalism has worked well for Canada in the past. I am far from confident about our future.
You realize that this is no different from what we have in the USA right?
If you're considering Vancouver, Google " Vancouver affordable housing crisis".
Aside from that, Vancouver is stunning, fairly civilized, and a great place to run.
smile wrote:
future canuck wrote:I'm looking into attending grad school in Canada and possibly staying there after I graduate given the current state of American politics. I'm curious as to what degree of culture shock I'm in for.
If you value free speech you should stay away.
This makes no sense.
Free speech in Canada is a thing.
Off the Grid wrote:
I moved here 5 years ago after 18 years in Asia. Grew up in DC and spet my first 26 years there.
Income taxes in Canada are probably 3-5% higher than NY or CA. But you have far fewer healthcare incidentals, so it generally evens out.
AS far as the quality of healthcare, it is great. There are some wait times imposed by design, but they are not onerous. I think people in the US imagine that wait times == LA County Hospital on Saturday night, and nothing could be further from the case.
Housing in TO or Van is expensive. Elsewhere is quite reasonable, depending on what your income is.
Obviously fewer guns and better gun laws means Canada is much safer.
There are very few if any noticeable differences initially. I would say that Canada, as a culture, is much less competitive than the US. This is true of most developed countries. Despite hockey being the biggest sport here, you'd never know it if you didn't turn on your TV. It is not nearly as big a deal as the NFL is in the US. This might be because sports in general in Toronto, where I live, suck.
What I don't like is this censorious politesse that pervades many conversations. "The Truth" is this assumed body of left-of-centre platitudes that often have no basis in fact. There are many good ideas that came from Harper's, "reign". But you'd never hear your garden variety Liberal voter tell you that. Annoying. But this is the case in the US.
Multi-culturalism works here. 50% of Toronto residents were born outside of Canada. 22% of the entire population are immigrants.
Your best bet to get PR is as a student. Good luck
Mostly agreed, but outside of your downtown Toronto bubble sports are big in the rest of Canada (and the Greater Toronto Area).
Did you not notice tens of thousands of people in public squares for the NBA and MLB playoffs? (Also, saying the Jays or Raptors suck in 2016 is out-of-touch.)
Sounds like you met a nice Hong Kong - Toronto girl and now live under a rock. Amirite?
Off the Grid wrote:
I moved here 5 years ago after 18 years in Asia. Grew up in DC and spet my first 26 years there.
Income taxes in Canada are probably 3-5% higher than NY or CA. But you have far fewer healthcare incidentals, so it generally evens out.
AS far as the quality of healthcare, it is great. There are some wait times imposed by design, but they are not onerous. I think people in the US imagine that wait times == LA County Hospital on Saturday night, and nothing could be further from the case.
Housing in TO or Van is expensive. Elsewhere is quite reasonable, depending on what your income is.
Obviously fewer guns and better gun laws means Canada is much safer.
There are very few if any noticeable differences initially. I would say that Canada, as a culture, is much less competitive than the US. This is true of most developed countries. Despite hockey being the biggest sport here, you'd never know it if you didn't turn on your TV. It is not nearly as big a deal as the NFL is in the US. This might be because sports in general in Toronto, where I live, suck.
What I don't like is this censorious politesse that pervades many conversations. "The Truth" is this assumed body of left-of-centre platitudes that often have no basis in fact. There are many good ideas that came from Harper's, "reign". But you'd never hear your garden variety Liberal voter tell you that. Annoying. But this is the case in the US.
Multi-culturalism works here. 50% of Toronto residents were born outside of Canada. 22% of the entire population are immigrants.
Your best bet to get PR is as a student. Good luck
We left Canada years ago and never looked back, after my wife spent 12 hours being unseen in the emergency room we had enough. We were also told that our baby would likely die, then told to wait months for tests, those were the most stressful months, with the natural conclusion of my wife (great runner) breaking down and having heart issues. When we got to the states the kiddo was seen immediately and everything was cleared up in days, litteraly it was freaking amazing.
Oh and I was able to reschedule a non-critical appointment with a dermatolgist in a week that I had been waiting for 6 months for in Canada. Oh and now I actually have a "primary care" physician.
Yes there are parts of Canada without medical wait lists but that is the problem with government controls - half the country has way more than they need, they other half has way less, government run services rarely are effective, just ask those that lived behind the iron curtain in the 80's.
The joke is on us wrote:
Off the Grid wrote:I moved here 5 years ago after 18 years in Asia. Grew up in DC and spet my first 26 years there.
Income taxes in Canada are probably 3-5% higher than NY or CA. But you have far fewer healthcare incidentals, so it generally evens out.
AS far as the quality of healthcare, it is great. There are some wait times imposed by design, but they are not onerous. I think people in the US imagine that wait times == LA County Hospital on Saturday night, and nothing could be further from the case.
Housing in TO or Van is expensive. Elsewhere is quite reasonable, depending on what your income is.
Obviously fewer guns and better gun laws means Canada is much safer.
There are very few if any noticeable differences initially. I would say that Canada, as a culture, is much less competitive than the US. This is true of most developed countries. Despite hockey being the biggest sport here, you'd never know it if you didn't turn on your TV. It is not nearly as big a deal as the NFL is in the US. This might be because sports in general in Toronto, where I live, suck.
What I don't like is this censorious politesse that pervades many conversations. "The Truth" is this assumed body of left-of-centre platitudes that often have no basis in fact. There are many good ideas that came from Harper's, "reign". But you'd never hear your garden variety Liberal voter tell you that. Annoying. But this is the case in the US.
Multi-culturalism works here. 50% of Toronto residents were born outside of Canada. 22% of the entire population are immigrants.
Your best bet to get PR is as a student. Good luck
We left Canada years ago and never looked back, after my wife spent 12 hours being unseen in the emergency room we had enough. We were also told that our baby would likely die, then told to wait months for tests, those were the most stressful months, with the natural conclusion of my wife (great runner) breaking down and having heart issues. When we got to the states the kiddo was seen immediately and everything was cleared up in days, litteraly it was freaking amazing.
Oh and I was able to reschedule a non-critical appointment with a dermatolgist in a week that I had been waiting for 6 months for in Canada. Oh and now I actually have a "primary care" physician.
Yes there are parts of Canada without medical wait lists but that is the problem with government controls - half the country has way more than they need, they other half has way less, government run services rarely are effective, just ask those that lived behind the iron curtain in the 80's.
Health care is better in Canada if you are poor and have no insurance. Health care is better in the United States if you are wealthy or have good insurance. For those who are in the middle, your results are dependant upon your medical condition.
re: me and my partner, not even close.The original question was compared to the US, and compared to the US, sports in Canada are minor - even NHL.
whateverer wrote:
Off the Grid wrote:I moved here 5 years ago after 18 years in Asia. Grew up in DC and spet my first 26 years there.
Income taxes in Canada are probably 3-5% higher than NY or CA. But you have far fewer healthcare incidentals, so it generally evens out.
AS far as the quality of healthcare, it is great. There are some wait times imposed by design, but they are not onerous. I think people in the US imagine that wait times == LA County Hospital on Saturday night, and nothing could be further from the case.
Housing in TO or Van is expensive. Elsewhere is quite reasonable, depending on what your income is.
Obviously fewer guns and better gun laws means Canada is much safer.
There are very few if any noticeable differences initially. I would say that Canada, as a culture, is much less competitive than the US. This is true of most developed countries. Despite hockey being the biggest sport here, you'd never know it if you didn't turn on your TV. It is not nearly as big a deal as the NFL is in the US. This might be because sports in general in Toronto, where I live, suck.
What I don't like is this censorious politesse that pervades many conversations. "The Truth" is this assumed body of left-of-centre platitudes that often have no basis in fact. There are many good ideas that came from Harper's, "reign". But you'd never hear your garden variety Liberal voter tell you that. Annoying. But this is the case in the US.
Multi-culturalism works here. 50% of Toronto residents were born outside of Canada. 22% of the entire population are immigrants.
Your best bet to get PR is as a student. Good luck
Mostly agreed, but outside of your downtown Toronto bubble sports are big in the rest of Canada (and the Greater Toronto Area).
Did you not notice tens of thousands of people in public squares for the NBA and MLB playoffs? (Also, saying the Jays or Raptors suck in 2016 is out-of-touch.)
Sounds like you met a nice Hong Kong - Toronto girl and now live under a rock. Amirite?
whateverer wrote:
smile wrote:If you value free speech you should stay away.
This makes no sense.
Free speech in Canada is a thing.
The Hate Speech laws are odious, and one of the few things about Canada which I loathe. For an American, these laws are repelling.
sports in Toronto sucks!?!?!
Raptors, Bluejays, Leafs okay fine but still an original 6ix team, Argos, TFC, Rock
I have heard stories like this from Quebec. Healthcare is administered at the provincial level, so it can vary by province. I have only had good experiences, living in a very middle class part of Toronto. Everything has been timely and responsive.I will say that the way in which healthcare is dispensed differs markedly vs the US.In the US, the customer is always right, and if you want it, you get it. Not always the case in Canada (and other single payer markets).E.g. I have low thyroid levels. I tried levothyroxin, and had an appointment w/ an endocrinologist, which took 4-5 months to get. I saw him, and he told me to stop taking thyroid meds. My age, and host of other factors most likely are causing the low levels. Indeed, 40% of people my age have thyroid numbers in this range. In the US, I would most likely be in thyroid meds, because...I wanted them.The same goes for stents, depression meds, etc. You want it, you got it, when in the US. Not so in Canada. I don't think this is a bad thing.
The joke is on us wrote:
Off the Grid wrote:I moved here 5 years ago after 18 years in Asia. Grew up in DC and spet my first 26 years there.
Income taxes in Canada are probably 3-5% higher than NY or CA. But you have far fewer healthcare incidentals, so it generally evens out.
AS far as the quality of healthcare, it is great. There are some wait times imposed by design, but they are not onerous. I think people in the US imagine that wait times == LA County Hospital on Saturday night, and nothing could be further from the case.
Housing in TO or Van is expensive. Elsewhere is quite reasonable, depending on what your income is.
Obviously fewer guns and better gun laws means Canada is much safer.
There are very few if any noticeable differences initially. I would say that Canada, as a culture, is much less competitive than the US. This is true of most developed countries. Despite hockey being the biggest sport here, you'd never know it if you didn't turn on your TV. It is not nearly as big a deal as the NFL is in the US. This might be because sports in general in Toronto, where I live, suck.
What I don't like is this censorious politesse that pervades many conversations. "The Truth" is this assumed body of left-of-centre platitudes that often have no basis in fact. There are many good ideas that came from Harper's, "reign". But you'd never hear your garden variety Liberal voter tell you that. Annoying. But this is the case in the US.
Multi-culturalism works here. 50% of Toronto residents were born outside of Canada. 22% of the entire population are immigrants.
Your best bet to get PR is as a student. Good luck
We left Canada years ago and never looked back, after my wife spent 12 hours being unseen in the emergency room we had enough. We were also told that our baby would likely die, then told to wait months for tests, those were the most stressful months, with the natural conclusion of my wife (great runner) breaking down and having heart issues. When we got to the states the kiddo was seen immediately and everything was cleared up in days, litteraly it was freaking amazing.
Oh and I was able to reschedule a non-critical appointment with a dermatolgist in a week that I had been waiting for 6 months for in Canada. Oh and now I actually have a "primary care" physician.
Yes there are parts of Canada without medical wait lists but that is the problem with government controls - half the country has way more than they need, they other half has way less, government run services rarely are effective, just ask those that lived behind the iron curtain in the 80's.
Gym Leader Brock wrote:
sports in Toronto sucks!?!?!
Raptors, Bluejays, Leafs okay fine but still an original 6ix team, Argos, TFC, Rock
Yes they suck.
Championships:
Raptors - never
Bluejays - '93
Leafs - '64
Argos????? Are you serious? CFL vs NFL?
The Oshawa Generals are the closest thing to a championship team in the GTA.
Again, compared to a US city, sports in Toronto suck rabid monkey dick. If you have lived in a US city w/ decent sports, lets hear it.
Blah Blah. wrote:
Health care is better in Canada if you are poor and have no insurance. Health care is better in the United States if you are wealthy or have good insurance. For those who are in the middle, your results are dependant upon your medical condition.
Not true. By every metric, outcomes in Canada are better vs US.
Friends, relatives, former colleagues all have healthcare nightmare stories from the US. I have heard very few in Canada. This does not mean they don't happen, but denial of service as a business strategy is not how things work here.
The healthcare is where the doctors want to be. And doctors want to be in cities, and close to hospitals, universities and other resources.
Off the Grid wrote:
Blah Blah. wrote:Health care is better in Canada if you are poor and have no insurance. Health care is better in the United States if you are wealthy or have good insurance. For those who are in the middle, your results are dependant upon your medical condition.
Not true. By every metric, outcomes in Canada are better vs US.
Friends, relatives, former colleagues all have healthcare nightmare stories from the US. I have heard very few in Canada. This does not mean they don't happen, but denial of service as a business strategy is not how things work here.
The healthcare is where the doctors want to be. And doctors want to be in cities, and close to hospitals, universities and other resources.
Nope. If you compare populations as a whole Canada does reasonably well, but that is because those who are poorest in the United States get terrible medical care. Sorry, I have never heard of anyone with insurance complain about any substantial medical issues in the United States. Complaints in the United States all seem to relate to costs. On the other hand, there are lots of horror stories about denied medical care in Canada.
Even prior to enactment of the ACA, the US has lagged
http://www.businessinsider.com/best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world-2012-6
There is nothing magical about the Canadian or US healthcare system. But even w those pesky poor people, Canada gets better outcomes
The joke is on us wrote:
Off the Grid wrote:I moved here 5 years ago after 18 years in Asia. Grew up in DC and spet my first 26 years there.
Income taxes in Canada are probably 3-5% higher than NY or CA. But you have far fewer healthcare incidentals, so it generally evens out.
AS far as the quality of healthcare, it is great. There are some wait times imposed by design, but they are not onerous. I think people in the US imagine that wait times == LA County Hospital on Saturday night, and nothing could be further from the case.
Housing in TO or Van is expensive. Elsewhere is quite reasonable, depending on what your income is.
Obviously fewer guns and better gun laws means Canada is much safer.
There are very few if any noticeable differences initially. I would say that Canada, as a culture, is much less competitive than the US. This is true of most developed countries. Despite hockey being the biggest sport here, you'd never know it if you didn't turn on your TV. It is not nearly as big a deal as the NFL is in the US. This might be because sports in general in Toronto, where I live, suck.
What I don't like is this censorious politesse that pervades many conversations. "The Truth" is this assumed body of left-of-centre platitudes that often have no basis in fact. There are many good ideas that came from Harper's, "reign". But you'd never hear your garden variety Liberal voter tell you that. Annoying. But this is the case in the US.
Multi-culturalism works here. 50% of Toronto residents were born outside of Canada. 22% of the entire population are immigrants.
Your best bet to get PR is as a student. Good luck
We left Canada years ago and never looked back, after my wife spent 12 hours being unseen in the emergency room we had enough. We were also told that our baby would likely die, then told to wait months for tests, those were the most stressful months, with the natural conclusion of my wife (great runner) breaking down and having heart issues. When we got to the states the kiddo was seen immediately and everything was cleared up in days, litteraly it was freaking amazing.
Oh and I was able to reschedule a non-critical appointment with a dermatolgist in a week that I had been waiting for 6 months for in Canada. Oh and now I actually have a "primary care" physician.
Yes there are parts of Canada without medical wait lists but that is the problem with government controls - half the country has way more than they need, they other half has way less, government run services rarely are effective, just ask those that lived behind the iron curtain in the 80's.
This goes along with what I've heard of Canadian Healthcare from Canadians I know. If you have the flu it's fine. But if Shit hits the fan and and you have a serious health issue the US is a far superioir system unless you're super rich and can afford to go outside of the government system in Canada.
I've also heard that things that you'd like to have like the dermatology example here are a nightmare in the Canadian system.
Different anecdotes. I have many friends and family with pipes of money and the best insurance available, and still they have had terrible outcomes. In Canada, these stories are usually policy related. E.g. A woman in Hamilton was.denied an untested chemo treatment because there was no demonstrable efficacy to the treatment. She had to go to the US to get it, but it didn't help (not has it helped 60% of those who tried it).
Not a Canadian wrote:
This goes along with what I've heard of Canadian Healthcare from Canadians I know. If you have the flu it's fine. But if Shit hits the fan and and you have a serious health issue the US is a far superioir system unless you're super rich and can afford to go outside of the government system in Canada.
I've also heard that things that you'd like to have like the dermatology example here are a nightmare in the Canadian system.
You have to wait in Canada sometimes. This has the potential to be uncomfortable or worse. It is a short-coming of the system.
The advantage in general is you have a medical system which is not compensated if you need more care. So the amount of agency conflict is greatly reduced. Your family physician in Canada *is* on your side, and will not recommend needless care.
If you are poor, you are better off than in the US. You get care. If you have means, and are in Canada, you can always go to the US and pay. This, in my mind, is a better situation. I would rather have an agnostic physician/system, than a system driven by profit advising me how to spend my money on my health.
The primary drawback in Canada is wait-times. The primary drawback in the US is profit motive and the resultant agency conflict.
My C$0,02
Off the Grid wrote:
The healthcare is where the doctors want to be. And doctors want to be in cities, and close to hospitals, universities and other resources.
Huh? What does that first sentence mean? If you mean doctors like being doctors, well that's true. Doctors do extremely well in both countries. Most doctors I knew in Canada had golf memberships to the best private clubs.
As a Canadian that moved to the US, I prefer American healthcare even with the new changes. My dad wasn't given proper cancer treatment because of his age in Canada and died as a result.
What else should OP watch out for? Get a flat tire, and it could take a day to get it fixed even in a big city. Customer service rules in the US. I get flat tires fixed in 20 minutes here. The two times I had flats in Canada, it was a full day in the shop.
Want something online? Expect to pay way more in Canada, pay too much for shipping and deal with abysmal shipping service.
I can't imagine moving back there. It is not as idyllic as they make it out to be.