Jama Aden Interview after arrest

I added "more facts" without being argumentative, and said it is complementary to the previously stated set of facts, which excluded several basic points. I expect everyone to take these at face value, and reconcile their own thoughts with all of the known facts.I'm not trolling by saying "hey, wait a minute, let's not jump too quickly to conclusions, don't forget that (more undisputed facts)."For context, you can find the other 10 facts appears 3x on this page alone.I actually did say that it was found in the rooms of others. If it's found in the room of one of his athletes, then why must we talk about Aden, and not the athlete himself or the physiotherapist?The whole point is that the link between Aden and an athlete is not necessarily an EPO link -- that's what makes the EPO link to Aden weak. It would be stronger if EPO was in the room or the syringes.I note here that you left out that "one of his athletes" shared the room with another athlete.

yhrhdjkrbfbdn wrote:

balance is stating all the facts. Balance is not achieved by being argumentative and giving the most favorable argument to one side that you pick.

One example, in your first point, you state that the EPO was not in Aden's room but you leave out that it was in the room of one of his athletes.

I think this is your form of trolling. Don't give yourself too much credit.

No I meant "hotel room".

Well the previous page now...

rekrunner wrote:

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For context, you can find the other 10 facts appears 3x on this page alone.

The 62 used syringes were used for vitamin injections.

The 23 syringes preloaded with EPO were just for one doping person who was just planning ahead.

The 6 vials of 4 different kinds of EPO was also just for one doping person who was just planning ahead and wanted to have an adequate amount of 4 different kinds of EPO.

http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/atletismo/2016-06-26/dopaje-sabadell-jama-aden-operacion-rial-mossos-doping_1222935/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=%5BECTwitterNocheAutomatico%5D

There is nothing to see here.

Sure.

Whatever.

I think rekrunner's statement 2 is misleading. do we know that a person can't wash the syringes clean? The point of the evidence is that Aden was dumping syringes in places other than his trash can, which is circumstantial evidence of an effort to hide something. If it were all innocent then why bother? Well, his explanation is that he was trying to protect a 14 and 17 year old from syringes. See below. The point of balance is to evaluate what is known. So take Aden's argument at face value and go from there. Don't create a litigation statement of facts on a message board and then call it balance.Aden was arrested and his athlete was arrested. Their passports are being held. They could be cleared but so far their story is that EPO was found in Aden's athlete's room but that EPO really belonged to an athlete from Yemen (unfortunately not arrested) and a Saudi physiotherapist (also not arrested) with no connection to Aden's team. And Aden says the authorities got the wrong impression from dumping syringes.That is pretty unlucky. Side note 1:Does anyone know anything about the Saudi track team? I can't recall any Saudi runners.Side Note 2:Has anyone questioned the number of doses found? Sounds like a lot for one runner from Yemen and from what I assume is not a huge Saudi track contingent (I know Rekrunner - I Shouldn't assume).Side Note 3: serious question - do peopleInject calcium for shin splints? Aden explanation“It is injections that I use for myself,” he said. “After world indoors, my energy was down and the doctor told me I should take these vitamins and magnesium and calcium. I threw the garbage bag outside.” The reason for that, he says, is for safety reasons to protect others who stay with him in the room, including his 14 and 17 year old children, who were with him at the camp.

Well I didn't want to dig back the Spanish article, but if I recall correctly, from the google translation, the syringes were not washed, but were found to contain blood and non-doping substances. I don't find the dumping of needles outside, in and of itself, so suspicious: imagine if he dumped a bag of used "non-doping" needles at the hotel, and it was found by some undercover journalists.But for the rest, I'm pretty much in agreement. And I have no problems with making assumptions, especially when you say "I assume". I will even admit some skepticism regarding “It is injections that I use for myself". Maybe it's believable, if the quantity is small. But you ask some good questions.

Aaah -- thanks for finding the article -- that's the one that says blood and non-doping products in the discarded syringes and vials.(It also says 3 brands of EPO, not 4 -- funny how the numbers change over time, and between reports, but who's counting.)Sure there is something to see. The open question is not so much what, but who.Let's see what more information comes from the investigations and testing. We may find that it is not Aden, or Balla, despite the arrests, and passport confiscation and the raids.

blah blah cah cah doe doe wrote:

The 62 used syringes were used for vitamin injections.

The 23 syringes preloaded with EPO were just for one doping person who was just planning ahead.

The 6 vials of 4 different kinds of EPO was also just for one doping person who was just planning ahead and wanted to have an adequate amount of 4 different kinds of EPO.

http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/atletismo/2016-06-26/dopaje-sabadell-jama-aden-operacion-rial-mossos-doping_1222935/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=%5BECTwitterNocheAutomatico%5D

There is nothing to see here.

Sure.

Whatever.

[quote]yhrhdjkrbfbdn wrote:

balance is stating all the facts. Balance is not achieved by being argumentative and giving the most favorable argument to one side that you pick.

One example, in your first point, you state that the EPO was not in Aden's room but you leave out that it was in the room of one of his athletes.

I think this is your form of trolling. Don't give yourself too much credit.

Very well stated.

The police determined the evidence was enough to arrest Aden. Only the police have the information on the evidence that was found and where. They are unlikely to reveal that to the media. It will be revealed in the trial.

Aden's career in athletics is over. Right now he's in the denile phase. He has more to worry about than athletes. His freedom is at risk. He better get himself a good lawyer and stop posting lame excuses on the Internet.

I'll just keep bombarding you with endless streams of disconnected facts that don't have any relation to the issue, plus a bunch of other stuff that I'm just making up and tossing in there to create more confusing, because honestly you have me at my wits end with all the good points you're making, and that I can hardly comprehend with my limited intellect, but that doesn't stop me because I'm determined to beat you into submission with my endless stream of drivel and intense hatred for anyone who is faster than me, especially people who aren't the same color that I am and who live on the other side of the world, and THIS is the reason that they have to be guilty, plus i'm just po'd in general.[/quote]

Naaaaaa Nananananana Nananananaaaa i'm not listeninggggg. i'm just going to keep posting the same things over and over and keep ignoring everythinggggg else.

He's done wrote:

Only the police have the information on the evidence that was found and where. They are unlikely to reveal that to the media.

Haha if there ever was a case of the police leaking all they have to the media this is it. They even made sure of leaving some details out to make it seem like they got something out of their raid.

The mossos messed this one up badly. And you can tell by their aggressive pr work through media leaks. I can promise you El Pais are not happy about being had by their sources. They're the most respected paper in all of the Spanish speaking world. A damning piece is on its way to crush the head of the mossos squad

just like you deluded yourself thinking you could dope an entire squad of athletes you think the media and police are worried about you. Listen to your lawyer and stfu

Any update on this.

If Aden group was not using that physio where was their physio. A group like that would always use an on site physio daily. Well there was no other physio there and the guy arrested was a mule for the group.

As if Aden would be stupid enough to keep the stash in his own room. 3:50 coach arrested & still people say no evidence. This is the 3rd time as well.

Feck that they are at it. Aden is a drug dealer & Dibaba a doper.

Note none of the other group who were supposedly using failed the post attest test either!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Any update on this.

If Aden group was not using that physio where was their physio. A group like that would always use an on site physio daily. Well there was no other physio there and the guy arrested was a mule for the group.

As if Aden would be stupid enough to keep the stash in his own room. 3:50 coach arrested & still people say no evidence. This is the 3rd time as well.

Feck that they are at it. Aden is a drug dealer & Dibaba a doper.

Note none of the other group who were supposedly using failed the post attest test either!

Sadly it is highly unlikely that Jama Aden's group is the only one doing this sort of thing.

The latest updates I've seen is Aden telling "his story" and the judge giving the passport back to Aden, with a big caution and a requirement to report every two months.There has been nothing new linking Aden to Mounir, nor supporting any of the rest of your wishful thinking.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Any update on this.

If Aden group was not using that physio where was their physio. A group like that would always use an on site physio daily. Well there was no other physio there and the guy arrested was a mule for the group.

As if Aden would be stupid enough to keep the stash in his own room. 3:50 coach arrested & still people say no evidence. This is the 3rd time as well.

Feck that they are at it. Aden is a drug dealer & Dibaba a doper.

Note none of the other group who were supposedly using failed the post attest test either!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Any update on this.

If Aden group was not using that physio where was their physio. A group like that would always use an on site physio daily. Well there was no other physio there and the guy arrested was a mule for the group.

As if Aden would be stupid enough to keep the stash in his own room. 3:50 coach arrested & still people say no evidence. This is the 3rd time as well.

Feck that they are at it. Aden is a drug dealer & Dibaba a doper.

Note none of the other group who were supposedly using failed the post attest test either!

What we're the first two times? I didn't know much about this guy before the bust.

Mope Dealer wrote:

What were the first two times? I didn't know much about this guy before the bust.

He's an idiot with no brain, who makes up nonsense to try and get some attention.