I think not as It appeared he was the one who encroached-- but perhaps even more important is that he's not in a Nike kit. Runners going pro should not underestimate the intangible benefits of being a Nike athlete.
What say ye?
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Will he be put into finals?
I think not as It appeared he was the one who encroached-- but perhaps even more important is that he's not in a Nike kit. Runners going pro should not underestimate the intangible benefits of being a Nike athlete.
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I saw it as Walker did come down to lane 1 rail when there appeared to be a small window. The one guy put out his arm to brace himself but realized the move was made and was successful. Even though that guy wasn't putting down a strong finish, he made the attempt, after a few steps, to make a hard move to get around Walker. Walker was tripped when that runner decided to cut hard across the lane behind him, when he clearly didn't have the room to make the move.
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Should he get in? No. He wasn't going to make top 3 and his time wasn't going to be nearly good enough. And he was at least partially at fault himself for weaving in the straight.
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Watching a different race? wrote:
I saw it as Walker did come down to lane 1 rail when there appeared to be a small window. The one guy put out his arm to brace himself but realized the move was made and was successful. Even though that guy wasn't putting down a strong finish, he made the attempt, after a few steps, to make a hard move to get around Walker. Walker was tripped when that runner decided to cut hard across the lane behind him, when he clearly didn't have the room to make the move.
Seems pretty clear cut that Walker should be in the finals.
I see it that way now too after TiVo help. Walker had made his cut and had run 4 steps without contact, then Engels tries to go out to lane 2 and clips Walker in process. Walker had no business cutting into lane 1 unless he had the juice left to pass on inside- but he did make the move without impeding and then was clipped. -
Yep. If it were Murphy, he'd be out. But with all the PC crap going on, Walker has a great chance to get dropped in, even though he showed he doesn't recover well on short rest. With 50+ hours to rest, he'll be fine if they give him his undeserved shot.
one to go wrote:
Should he get in? No. He wasn't going to make top 3 and his time wasn't going to be nearly good enough. And he was at least partially at fault himself for weaving in the straight.
Will he get in? Wouldn't surprise me.
Berian should win the final. What a story he's been. The rest is up for grabs, although Murphy's tactical sense shows that the only way to keep him out might be to make the final super fast. And that may not be enough. -
As it turns out, Engels gets advanced and Walker does not. Doesn't do much for your theory.
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Here is our recap.
A yellow flag raised, and there was an appeal (probably from both Walker and Engels). Did Walker get clipped because Engels fouled him from behind? Or did Walker, realizing he was losing steam, move over and impede Engels? In the end, 75 minutes after the race was over, officials ended up siding with Engels who was placed in to what will now be a 9-person final. Let’s hope they have two guys share a lane and don’t do a waterfall start.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/07/chaos-continues-mens-800-semis-well-9-person-final/
-Rojo
PS. Watching it live, I was like Engels will get DQd. Then I got a text from Engels HS coach and he was like, "Walker didn't run a straight line. Engels could get in" and he was correct. -
I exchanged text messages with Engels coach at Ole Miss, Ryan Vanhoy. Vanhoy told us that both Walker and Engels appealed but only Engels appeal was upheld. Vanhoy says they believed that Engels "was impeded by Walker in the last 50m while Craig was passing him on the inside" and the officials agreed with that. Vanhoy added that "Walker cut inside while Craig was coming up on him. They got tangled as a result and Craig fell."
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Watch the video again. Walker moves in middle of lane 1, runs a few strides while maintaining position, Engel puts his right hand out because the rail was blocked and he wanted to make room, he couldn't, starts to move outside and clips Walker 2-3 times before Engel falls. Walker should be let in the final.
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Neither should be advanced because they both didn't race well enough to get in.
Walker should not be rewarded for veering inside to cut off Engel which caused the collision.
Engel put himself in a box and shouldn't be rewarded for being lucky enough to be bailed by a drunken finish by Walker.
Look at another way.
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Engels clearly had no where to go and ran up into Walker from my view. If Engels is put in the final so should Walker as Engels from the back impeded water chance of securing and spot
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I disagree with the second part of your assessment.
To me it looks like as Engle is moving to lane 2 and Walker cuts him off right before his heel is clipped.
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Engels 9th man in final
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LOL Craig Engels is in the OT Final. Who would have thought?
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One thing is certain-Engels wasn't going to make it up. Walker put him into finals.
I think camera angle played a big role in this- the only angle I saw was from the from front angle so you can't see the distance Shaq had on Engels. But Shaq did make the shift and ran several steps before the collision. Was it a dickweed move? Yes. Did he foul Engels? No. Did Engels later foul Walker? Yes. Was it instigated by Walker? Yes. What a clusterbuck. I think Walker may have made it through in rest- Engels has zero chance.
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wineturtle wrote:
Engels 9th man in final
Walker in the stands
Justice has been served. But remember neither runner is with Nike or Saladbar. IAAF really needs to solidify the impeding in the finishing straight rule. Also, the veering inside or out in the finishing straight.
Walker did not have a full stride before cutting in on Engels (greatest porn stache currently in T&F). Don't think it was intentional on Walker's part tho.
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messi wrote:
Good to see Hayward Field officials handing out false starts....unlike at Pre.
Handed them out but then caved on protest.
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This is ridiculous. Engels tries to move outside and gets his feet tangled up with Walker. This slows Walker, who at the moment was doing nothing wrong (he had cut in a few seconds earlier, but it wasn't nearly enough for an infraction) and potentially costs Walker a spot in the final. Then Engel trips (again, because of his own doing) and impedes ANOTHER runner.
And who gets to move onto the final? ENGEL?! Are you kidding me? He should have been disqualified, and the OTHER TWO runners should have been allowed to move onto the final.
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I don't think either should have been advanced, but if one was going to be it should have been Engels. When Walker cut down to lane 1, Engels had to adjust his pace immediately and put his right arm out on Walker. A couple strides later he had to swerve severely because Walker was slowing down and clipped Walker.
Both guys put themselves in that position with poor tactics, so I don't think either should have advanced. Engels because if you choose to ride the rail stuff can and will happen. Walker because he cut down to the rail without any sort of glance and clearly caused Engels to immediately adjust.
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Really? You think that guy way behind that had to jump over Engel should move onto the final?
The guy so far back that I don't even know his name and neither do you?
That guy can go suck a rock.
