Teg 13:36, Vaughn 13:38

And Jama, I think you are right. Those guys are very motivated right. My best year came after an embarrassing and humiliating cross nationals in Tucson.

I bet the boys are focused, laying off the sauce, hungry, and angry. With all these great indoor meets these days I just hope they don't burn too hard indoors. I'd like to see 8 or 9 Badgers qualify for outdoor NCAA's

Richard Mosely ran 8:07, Matt Johnston was 8:05(?)Mazzotta was back aways, I don't know his exact time, and it looks like the results aren't up yet.

Team Darkhorse wrote:

Anyone know the 3km---in particular some of the canadians.

Thanks

I don't mean to take anything away from Wisconsin, I couldn't be within sight of any of their guys on my best day, and neither could just about any team out there. They clearly have the best distance squad in the nation right now. All I'm saying is that yes, in fact, CU really doesn't take indoor that seriously, whether for good or bad, they take XC more serious than track. You are right, "they got there stuff handed to them today." Ask any of the CU guys if they care right now. Again, though not to take anything away from Wisconsin.

jama wrote:

They got there ***SS handed to them today!!!!!!!!!!

Wha?

How did Wis loose xc?

First off it was a 10k race on grass, not 5k on a track. They lost the race in the last kilometer.

This debate is so old. Wisconsin should not have lost xc, get over it. They have changed their focus to track now and the results are impressive! I'm quite sure that they were not concerned with dominating CU Saturday, rather they wanted to see what their racing/fitness level was at. I'm so glad to see them all have flippin' awesome races at the same time... well, except for Keller, don't really know what happened to him in the 3k or why he didn't run the 5k. But even aside from Teg, Solinsky, Bairu, Nelson, Lockhart, and Ford, they had some other really good performances this weekend. 4:01 for Spiker, 4:03 for Ben Gregory, 4:07 for Ben Porter, who I'm sure nobody has heard of... he's a sophomore, maybe redshirt freshman... 1:48 for Dan Murray, too. This team is rocking right now and hopefully they can maintain the rest of the indoor season.

How about that character out of the Big Sur, James Carney, ran 13:39. Not bad, not bad. First race in a long time. I believe since the trials.

bc josh spiker ran better 4 years ago in furman...i think the fact that they had three guys who believed they could win it all hurt them (solinsky, teg, bariu) as well

Steventm wrote:

meeem wrote:

Could someone please tell me how the hell Wisconsin lost Cross Country Nationals.

GOSH!!

They lost because they redshirted the 2003 footlocker national champion.

And that freshman (Matt W) got fourth in the open mens xc nationals today - just behind Tim Broe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Matt would've given it to Rupp in the junior race!!!!!!!

words wrote:

what has he done since winning 2003 FL?

never even ran sub-9 for 2 miles.

man you must feel like an idiot now

Yes...plus Matt ran an 8:08 3K indoors this year...what is that, about an 8:45 two mile? The race was low key too. I can run sub 8 no problem I'd guess. Watch Matt W to tear it up next year!

I don't want to criticize Schumacher, but he did let Tim Nelson, Bobby Lockhart, Chris Solinsky run as Freshmen. This freshman redshirt thing can backfire when they get injured later on in their careers and have already used the redshirt. It is all well and good for offensive linemen, but for footlocker champs I don't see the point. Has a FL XC champ ever redshirted before as a frosh?

Withrow proved once more that he is a great big race runner. This 4th is his worst finish in any race since he was a soph in HS.

Yes, and Teg redshirted as frosh in xc and then only got to run 3 seasons because of an injury. The redshirt thing should be considered very seriously (not doing it until injury)

lolly wrote:

Yes, and Teg redshirted as frosh in xc and then only got to run 3 seasons because of an injury. The redshirt thing should be considered very seriously (not doing it until injury)

Teg and Spiker were both semi-injured during their freshman year in XC, so redshirting them made sense. They both then redshirted indoors for the World XC meet and decided to redshirt outdoors since they had already redshirted everything else.

If you talk with Teg, he doesn't regret missing that first season of XC at all. He was able to get himself healthy instead of competing for the Badgers, and after resuming training he won the USA Junior XC title (over Ritz) and then place fifth at World Juniors.

If that is accurate, that is probably how a redshirt should be used (or if a kid just is not ready) Nevertheless, many of these decisions are made months ahead of time and sometimes a kid is told when he is recruited that he will redshirt his frosh year or xc season.

It's simple really! Wisco lost cross because they didn't run as SMART as CU! Had they sent Teg, Bairu, and Solinsky out in about 10th-15th instead of the up front right off the gun, then they probably would have won. The wet, sloppy course along with a quick early pace took it's toll on those three in the last 2k.

gibb wrote:

It's simple really! Wisco lost cross because they didn't run as SMART as CU! Had they sent Teg, Bairu, and Solinsky out in about 10th-15th instead of the up front right off the gun, then they probably would have won. The wet, sloppy course along with a quick early pace took it's toll on those three in the last 2k.

Yeah, maybe if Bairu would have run a smarter race he could have placed higher. Oh wait, he won.

Easy, I'm not bashing Wisco (though I am a CU fan)! I was at the race and I was as surprised as anyone that Wisco did not win, and even more surprised that CU did. All I am saying is that Wetmore had a great strategy for his boys on that day, one that I think would have benefited Solinsky and Tegenkamp (though I realize that all 3, Bairu included, had aspirations and expectations of winning). If they would have laid off the pace maybe 2 seconds/mile in the first 2 miles I think it would have made a HUGE difference late in the race! Teg and Solinsky were "out the back door" the last 2k while Vaughn and Schoolie were "rolling," along with Sev and Pipher.

Wisco was probably the better team, and should have won, but as all sports fans know - the best team does not always win! LCU was the best team on that day! I realize that it can't all be blamed on Teg and Solinsky, Lockhart and Spiker (or was it Nelson, I can't remember) didn't run to their potential either. Additionally, Wetmore outcoached Schumaker! I know for a fact that the Badgers braintrust wasn't even figuring CU into the mix ( I have a close relative who is a Wisco alum and remains very close with Jerry and others).

The fact that Wisco had 3 guys with individual title aspirations might have actually hurt them. If they had run more like Stanford the past two years then they undoubtedly would have won the team title, but probably would not have had the individual champion!

Just my two cents worth!

Gibb, sorry if I sounded like an ass. I think the UW guys should have stayed back as well, especially with the wet conditions. Bairu and Keller both ran good races. None of their runners really bombed; CU just ran awesome.