Has U.S. Anti-Doping Agency dropped the Oregon Project investigation w/ Alberto Salazar?

Oh no! Kara's going to cry again.

Oh, that is just mean! Hahahahahahaha!

You boys seem to be unaware of the "new" positives for retest of samples from 2008 Olympics. And those where ONLY for athletes still competing this year's games.

Oh, and the USADA does not comment about testing cases. So, Travis would not comment one way or the other. Cases are never actually closed.

That may be true, but Salazar's athletes are moving forward to Olympic Trials and Olympics. June, July and August should prove enlightening.

I think given Nike's influence and Salazar's outstanding record as an athlete and coach, he's unstoppable.

Wow, that's rich. Some Jamaican chick is now concerned about doping in track and field. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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Kara's tears wrote:

Oh no! Kara's going to cry again.

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Jamaican Me Crazy wrote:

Wow, that's rich. Some Jamaican chick is now concerned about doping in track and field. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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You need to figure out who Ms. Shirley is and what she's previously accomplished.

As a reminder, USADA has no authority to sanction any one.

The investigation would use USATF's rules to determine whether there is a sporting infraction, then recommend sanctions to USATF. Salazar is never testing positive.

Yes they have dropped it like a bad habit. What idiots everyone was here a year ago over something that never happened. Mr. Epstein should be ashamed of himself. How can anyone trust his stories now? Shame on you David. In elite running, people have axes to grind and his sources sure did.

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Yes they have dropped it like a bad habit. What idiots everyone was here a year ago over something that never happened. Mr. Epstein should be ashamed of himself. How can anyone trust his stories now? Shame on you David. In elite running, people have axes to grind and his sources sure did.

Hi, A Duck, aka Eric L! Good to have you back. :-) Shame you stopped using your old handle.

Hi, A Duck!!!!! 🐓

USADA is Nike. It's one and the same.

Oh no same old story, again, over.

Let me explain. There was athelete in NOP, who, not good enough. Yes, Kara. But also Adam. Both end of career, wanted to get extra push but Alberto told them, nothing he could do. He told them to see doctor to make sure they in good health, both.

But Kara not like "traditional" doctor - alternative medicina.

In the end, when there is no smoke there is no fire under the hut. In this case, story is nothing.

So, it seems obviously NOP NOT doping, why would they? They clean.

Renato Casanova (Coach) wrote:

So, it seems obviously NOP NOT doping, why would they? They clean.

A program administering exogenous Testosterone to teenagers is clean?

Teenagers. AKA children.

There were two USADA reps at the USATF Annual Meeting. Of course we could not speak about a specific case, but I asked them if USADA had publicly confirmed that they were investigating someone, if they didn't find anything, would they make an announcement about that.

She said no, that an investigation is never truly closed because more evidence could always come forward.

Of course Travis Tygart can do whatever he wants, so it wouldn't shock me if policy suddenly changed and an announcement was made if enough pressure was applied to USADA.

But what USADA told me is that there would never be an announcement if they didn't find enough evidence for an ADRV. And I did a little digging at one point and could not find any past press releases of that nature.

So yes, it is entirely plausible that they have quietly dropped the case.

I don't understand how it's not an ADRV to rub testosterone over a non-athlete and test them to see how much it takes to trigger a positive. That's the one thing from all of the chatter that stood out to me. It would be nice if USADA could clarify that...

** So yes, it is entirely plausible that they have quietly dropped the case. **

They never drop a case. That is how their system works. They keep accumulating data (test samples), and legally battling.

It is very likely that high-priced lawyers were involved with any NOP investigation. Anything that happens being legally closed doors--NOP threats of lawsuits if investigation information is released--will remain unknown. NOP will not just sit their and take their punishment. They will fight back with a lot of money because the money at stake is huge--NOP team run winnings and sponsor endorsements.

From the public evidence, it's highly likely that USADA didn't find that a rule was violated by anyone subject to their rules. I'm not sure it even got as far as "Nike lawyers".

rekrunner wrote:

From the public evidence, it's highly likely that USADA didn't find that a rule was violated by anyone subject to their rules. I'm not sure it even got as far as "Nike lawyers".

Public evidence is not legal evidence. There would be no Nike lawyers involved. NOP is owned by Salazar. Attorneys would be hired by Salazar and his athletes with the most to lose.

polevaultpower wrote:

I don't understand how it's not an ADRV to rub testosterone over a non-athlete and test them to see how much it takes to trigger a positive. That's the one thing from all of the chatter that stood out to me. It would be nice if USADA could clarify that...

The threshold for a T/E positive is 4:1. That's WAY above the vast majority of humans near 1:1 ratio. Anything less than a 4:1 threshold is non-positive.

And now a reasonable person asks, "Pop_pop! you are full of it. Rubbing artificial T into teenagers has GOT to be banned." Yes, it is. However, the test for exogenous T is expensive and not run until the athlete has crossed the threshold. This enables a great deal of performance gains through recovery and some weight loss with controlled use of T. No one talks about the risks of long term use of course..

Lets remember the case of Dennis Mitchell. Dennis gave some crazy, impossible excuse for crossing the T/E threshold and USATF accepted it.

So, not only is it difficult to fail the T/E test if you take the Salazar route of experimenting on your children, USATF can, and probably will just accept some crazy excuse and never test the Nike athlete positive.

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rekrunner wrote:

From the public evidence, it's highly likely that USADA didn't find that a rule was violated by anyone subject to their rules. I'm not sure it even got as far as "Nike lawyers".

Public evidence is not legal evidence. There would be no Nike lawyers involved. NOP is owned by Salazar. Attorneys would be hired by Salazar and his athletes with the most to lose.

Doping infractions are not criminal cases. There is no judicial standard of evidence. There is no judicial anything.

It is an arbitration system where arbitrators variously work for the sports federation, work on arbitration panels, and act as a representative in arbitration, all at once if they are successful. Anyone I've looked up at CAS has been a "full" lawyer in their country first, then somehow got into the IOC system.