Three dead on Everest in three days

Mr. Obvious wrote:

jjjjjj wrote:

Lower the fees markedly, reduce the # of permits markedly (clamp down on the resulting black market), require a high skill level, and allow time for multiple attempts, and you'd see a reduction in deaths.

So, for something with high demand, you propose to lower the price, lower the supply, and lower the black market? Interesting...

This is exactly what I was going to post in response.

risk is my bizz wrote:

If you need oxygen tanks and Sherpas, then you are a cheat.

So what's point of pushing the boundaries when you are cheating?

Exactly, I mean, those who use submersibles to get down to the bottom of the Mariana Trench are taking short cuts as well. They should be free diving.

Anyone who says climbing Everest (with or without sherpas, oxygen, Gore-Tex, etc.) is not a significant achievement is either an idiot or a below average troll.

Of course it's a tremendous challenge; preparation, planning, facing your and other's fears, financial commitment, physical and mental stress, climactic variability, gear, etc.

It's probably at the top of the heap of what mostly normal humans can aspire to do left on the planet. All of the modern day, "Red Bull" type of endeavors, wing suits come to mind, require too much knowledge, gear, technique, skill to try...yet.

So to all the naysayers let's see you get off your couch and attempt something at 1/10th the scale of Everest and see if you still feel that it is a "watered down" accomplishment.

Major kudos to anyone who attempts it and even more for those that overcome all the obstacles to get back in one piece.

Loser, still posting here!

You said you weren't going to post here after that scam thread on some gal breaking a road race record.

Go home Loser!

I went to a memorial this weekend for a woman climber who left behind children. Suffice it to say it was heartbreaking. People who have young children are irresponsible to take such risks (as the climber I new did).

YMMV wrote:

I went to a memorial this weekend for a woman climber who left behind children. Suffice it to say it was heartbreaking. People who have young children are irresponsible to take such risks (as the climber I new did).

It's all about the Me, Me, Me generation-taking-selfie-idiots

Jefe in the CO wrote:

Of course it's a tremendous challenge; preparation, planning, facing your and other's fears, financial commitment, physical and mental stress, climactic variability, gear, etc.

Idiot. It takes three simple steps:

1) sign up here:

2) pay $100k

3) get dragged up to the top

Not necessarily. People die on the way down because of altitude sickness issues even though they are within all guidelines. The schedule to summit - 2pm turnaround - makes no room for getting sick on the way down. You could be heading down at noon, and then not be able to walk 300m down. Nothing to do and nobody an save you. It is more a function of how your body reacts to the altitude. YMMV.This is a fraction of those who die. Most - as you pint out - die from poor judgement and accidents.

Nice rebuttal...while it is quite possibly true that I may have said that I wouldn't post here again I can't decipher your reference. Can you post a link?

Jefe in the CO wrote:

Nice rebuttal...while it is quite possibly true that I may have said that I wouldn't post here again I can't decipher your reference. Can you post a link?

Here you go Loser !

risk is my bizz wrote:

Jefe in the CO wrote:

Nice rebuttal...while it is quite possibly true that I may have said that I wouldn't post here again I can't decipher your reference. Can you post a link?

Here you go Loser !

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7040571&page=33

10/10

risk is my bizz wrote:

Jefe in the CO wrote:

Nice rebuttal...while it is quite possibly true that I may have said that I wouldn't post here again I can't decipher your reference. Can you post a link?

Here you go Loser !

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7040571&page=33

Ha ha, well I guess you got me.

It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a**holes who post bullshit and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in Kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.

risk is my bizz wrote:

YMMV wrote:

I went to a memorial this weekend for a woman climber who left behind children. Suffice it to say it was heartbreaking. People who have young children are irresponsible to take such risks (as the climber I new did).

It's all about the Me, Me, Me generation-taking-selfie-idiots

What the F are you talking about? Plenty of people died climbing, and left behind loved ones, including young children, long before today's "selfie" generation. Not saying it is right, just that it is absolutely not a generational thing.

Generalizer wrote:

risk is my bizz wrote:

It's all about the Me, Me, Me generation-taking-selfie-idiots

What the F are you talking about? Plenty of people died climbing, and left behind loved ones, including young children, long before today's "selfie" generation. Not saying it is right, just that it is absolutely not a generational thing.

Well no crap!

Just keep the thread going.. (god, do we have to spell it out to you)

Jefe in the CO wrote:

risk is my bizz wrote:

Here you go Loser !

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7040571&page=33

Ha ha, well I guess you got me.

It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a**holes who post bullshit and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in Kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.

I never understood this meme... can someone please explain? PLEASE???

Well there's at least one totally defensible reason to tackle Everest even for the unskilled. It would pay dividends to be isolated in a drafty, dark tent at base camp with a rugged Mt climber

Jefe in the CO wrote:

So to all the naysayers let's see you get off your couch and attempt something at 1/10th the scale of Everest and see if you still feel that it is a "watered down" accomplishment.

climbing 3k ft mountains isn't much of an accomplishment. I think my 7 year old has done that.

Wow. Now 6 are dead. All individual incidents. No group catastrophe.

Flagpole wrote:

And yeah, people should stop their bragging about their pedestrian marathons too. Pretty much bragging out to stop completely. Brag about others, but not yourself.

risk is my bizz wrote:

Jefe in the CO wrote:

Nice rebuttal...while it is quite possibly true that I may have said that I wouldn't post here again I can't decipher your reference. Can you post a link?

Here you go Loser !

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7040571&page=33

So you are Paulo... I must admit, I didn't think you actually existed.