Lagat 27:49!

What is the A standards this year? And the B?

Can the US send two As and one B?

troof be told wrote:

tokyo is 4 wrote:

He's got a good shot at the team, but by no means a lock.

Mead, who was on last year's Beijing 10k team, ran 7:38 indoors to beat Lagat in Feb .

Kipchirchir, also on last year's Beijing 10k team, won the 5000m last night (13:18, :55 close).

Rupp is Rupp.

A few others could be in mix as well.

Keep in mind that this was "sit on the Japanese guy and do the minimum to win."

Doing the minimum to win......... The strategy of a superior athletes

a1:46 1/2miler who moved u wrote:

1996 1500 3:37.7

How many posters were not even in elementary school in 1996?

I wasnt even born

Mr. Obvious wrote:

What is the A standards this year? And the B?

Can the US send two As and one B?

No more A and B. The Olympic standard is 28:00 and, for the most part, the plausible candidates for top 3 at the Trials have that in pocket.

Trials auto qualifier is 28:15 with target field of 24.

troof be told wrote:

tokyo is 4 wrote:

He's got a good shot at the team, but by no means a lock.

Mead, who was on last year's Beijing 10k team, ran 7:38 indoors to beat Lagat in Feb .

Kipchirchir, also on last year's Beijing 10k team, won the 5000m last night (13:18, :55 close).

Rupp is Rupp.

A few others could be in mix as well.

Keep in mind that this was "sit on the Japanese guy and do the minimum to win."

Keep in mind that the Japanese guy is one of AlSal's sit-and-kick trained athletes. AlSal will have a talk with him. "The plan" was not executed.

Except if you are Rupp. He would be getting ripped on this board if he did this. Lagat-sit and kick= great racer

Rupp- sit and kick= p*ssy

troof be told wrote:

tokyo is 4 wrote:

He's got a good shot at the team, but by no means a lock.

Mead, who was on last year's Beijing 10k team, ran 7:38 indoors to beat Lagat in Feb .

Kipchirchir, also on last year's Beijing 10k team, won the 5000m last night (13:18, :55 close).

Rupp is Rupp.

A few others could be in mix as well.

Keep in mind that this was "sit on the Japanese guy and do the minimum to win."

Isn't that how he has always won races throughout his career?

So how fast could he go for 10k then. I mean he looked pretty fresh.

Plus what are his chances at rio. I mean the pace is pretty much guaranteed to be lightning fast because Kamworer is going to have to make an insane drive to the finish or just run a fast pace all around.

Personally I think this will end up just like the 10000m at the 2009 world champioships with Farah being Bekele and Tadese being Kamworer. I also think Rupp, muchari, and tanui will hang in there for a while but will eventually fade.

You just need to pay better attention. There is lots out there on Li's work with Lagat, including workout videos with lengthy comments.

The secret sauce is the lack of a secret sauce.

IIRC:

- Runs six days a week, never doubles.

- 70 mpw max (although that was before he was racing 10k)

- Not a lot of balls-to-the-wall workouts. Consistency is key and most workouts are contained.

Like I said, nothing too shocking. Google can tell you more.

Ok thanks for your feedback. I found this article on WSJ:

From the article

"How can you get really fit doing 60 miles a week?'" Lagat said. "My runs are very hard. Everything I do is hard. I always tell people, 'Here are my workouts. This is exactly what I do. "

He seems to be doing the opposite off "polarized" training by the looks of things. Maybe like Coe training but without the ultra-intense workouts?

I guess that my point was that I have seen many books by say Lydiard, or Jack Daniels, and John Kellogg has written huge amounts about his training philosphy on the web but in comparison I have not seen any books by James Li even though he is obviously one of the coaching greats. Sorry for my lack of attention if I am wrong about this.

I have to agree. There are plenty of articles on Lagat's training. Singles, run days a week, long breaks between seasons. 60-70 mpw depending on the point of the season, and in periods of frequent racing 50 mpw. He also is selective with racing and doesn't over race, every race is well chosen with a specific purpose.

His easy runs are also relatively quick. On flotrack's driven series Lagat did an easy 10 miles in 56 minutes flat and then 10 strides afterwards. Lagat also does a weekly tempo run, usually 3-5 miles, because he responds very well to them.

read his post-race interview.he just wanted to run a 10k on the track before retirement so he didn't regret not doing it.he doesn't want to race it in the olympics as far as he's saidthat being said, he looked so comfortable last night.

Old Man Winter wrote:

Will he make the team?!

what a stud !!!!!

57 seconds i think

asfadsfasdf wrote:

How fast was his last lap?

Thanks. The rules change every cycle, so it is hard to keep up. Kind of a pain to look up on my phone.

My sense from the workouts I've heard was that while he never runs slow--or hardly ever over 6 flat per mile--even on easy runs, he does not go crazy with the workouts. He's not setting down incredible workout times--not at least in any I've heard of--but he stays healthy, doesn't break himself down, and so keeps it rolling. That's right, it reminds me a bit of Tinman's training of Hunter, who does a lot of 10k pace work, rather than mile pace, though Hunter goes a lot easier on recovery days.

I have seen Lagat running around near my house- about 3 times/year for the last 8 years.

I have never seem him running slower than 5:30 pace. His form is beautiful but it doesn't look effortless.

Most of the times I have seen him he appears to be running fast. Sometimes very very fast.

8 years ago (he was 33) and he looked like a 25 year old.

3 weeks ago (he was 41) but he looked like a 35 year old.

drew hunter isn't genetically perfect as a runner like Lagat is.sure, he doesn't extend himself in workouts and such, but he's also capable of running a 7:37 last 3k of a 5k. 3:57 last mile. he could close a 1500m in 51 seconds. silver medal. 2nd fastest 1500m of all time, on and onlook at his body, his legs. he's gifted more than almost anyone before him. ever. his talent is rare so don't base anything you do on what he does. he's an outlier and treat to watch and once-in-a-lifetime athlete.he ran a 3:55 mile at age 41

jjjjjjj wrote:

My sense from the workouts I've heard was that while he never runs slow--or hardly ever over 6 flat per mile--even on easy runs, he does not go crazy with the workouts. He's not setting down incredible workout times--not at least in any I've heard of--but he stays healthy, doesn't break himself down, and so keeps it rolling. That's right, it reminds me a bit of Tinman's training of Hunter, who does a lot of 10k pace work, rather than mile pace, though Hunter goes a lot easier on recovery days.

BTW: Lagat also broke the 5000m single age record (41 y.o.) in the second 5000m of the 10000 (I guess that he had a running start however)

Here is my Bernard Lagat story:

I first heard of Bernard Lagat when he ran at Washington State University around 1997 to 2000, and followed his running career. Then one day in 2007 I looked out the window and he literally was running by my house and up the street faster than any runner I have ever seen run around here. The other posters here have covered his training well, with an emphasis on quality, like 5:15 to 5:30 pace for 8 miles. The last time I talked to him a few years ago he told me he was doing 70 to 80 miles a week. Maybe he is doing a little more now for 10k? I do not know. He also does some hill rep workouts.

I will now pretend I am Renato Canova. I will tell you the workout I saw Bernard do on a 2 mile gravel dirt path with ruts and a short steep hill at the end (not a fast surface) at 7100 ft. altitude in 2007, before he won 2 gold medals in the 1500M and 5000M at the 2007 World Championships in Osaka.

The workout was: 15 min warmup, 2 miles in 9:12, 3min jog, 2miles in 9:18, 3min jog, 1 mile in 4:24, then 15 min warmdown. Simple and high quality. The entire workout was done in less than an hour with warmup and warmdown included. Even Lagat finished his reps bent over, hands on knees, and unable to speak for a while. Because of this...he could not answer all the training questions I had for him at the time.

He is still human...sort of.

He is also a really nice guy and even let me run the first mile of his warmup with him, which of course was very exciting for me. I was the only person there watching his workout. There was an older Native American woman sitting on a bench that I went up to after he finished his workout. I asked her what she thought of his running. She said..."Yea. He runs pretty fast."

Maybe a bit of an understatement for the best runner on the planet for 1500M and 5000M in 2007.

.......Go Bernard Lagat!!!......