5K training is not very different from 10K training unless you coming from 1500m. Kipchoge surely wasn't. 26:40 back then. On the day of the marathon, 27:30. With proper 10K preparations. 27 flat.
5K training is not very different from 10K training unless you coming from 1500m. Kipchoge surely wasn't. 26:40 back then. On the day of the marathon, 27:30. With proper 10K preparations. 27 flat.
eh ???
have you seen clockings of some other elite 5k guys who tried to run 10k off 5k training ???
how about isiah who has 12'48pb & tried a 10k later that year & bombed to 27'17 !!!???
how come his 5k training coudn't let him run anywhere near same calibre 10k ???
eliud was also a 5k/3k/1500 guy as had 3'33+pb & that 3'33 was early season run in hengelo with unlikely great pacers, probably capable of 3'31/3'32 if it had some proper pacing in elite meet in summer
no one expected any great shakes from eliud in that hengelo run but 26'49 off jog to 9k was stupendous
learn to read details of race : they were on 27-flat pace at 9k which is ~ 2'42 average to 9k
the last km he ran ~ 2'31 !!!
fantastic effort in his debut off just 5k training as he didn't attempt to qualify for a major 10k until ~ 5y later
even-pace from gun at much faster pace to 9k so that no 2'31 left in him for last 1k but more like a 2'40 & he wouda run
~ 26'35 / 26'40
on sunday, he wouda murdered that time
2"03-flat on that slow course in cold weather ( 45F is not temperature kenyans want to run in ) with slowing tactical duel near end with biwott, cannot be run without fantastic intrinsic 10k speed
carlos lopes probably had 27'20/27'30 speed when he ran 2"07+wr decades ago
eliud woud have no quicker 10k speed when over 4'00 quicker at M ???
'Asbel shoud be hugely disappointed if he doesn't go 1'41+ this year as in best shape of life & running far more aggressively than ever
in fact, he is a genuine threat to the 800WR'
Right he only has to improve by nearly 20m to do that!
He won't break 1:42 for 800m.
Kipchoge would gain a lot more acclaim for beating Mo in the 10,000m than winning the marathon in Rio (which the general public will scarcely notice). So why does he not run it?
you clearly didn't see his '14 thumping of nijel when in 3'28+ shape, when he ran 1'43.3 with ~ 6m extra wide on bends & easing off at finishall this off jog of a startletsrun correspondent thinks the guy he beat last year, managanoi is currently in 1'42+ shape, so what does that make Asbel who is quite clearly the big fry there ?http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/04/asbel-kiprop-elijah-manangoi-vincent-yator-put-show-2016-kenyan-police-championships/
The gun fired and the eight racers charged around the turn, staying in their lanes until the break on the backstretch. This final featured a rabbit, and he was making certain that the race was anything but slow. Hitting the 200-meter mark in 23-mid, the competitors were already strung out single-file, with Manang’oi looking good in the fifth spot. They reached the bell in 49-high, and the rabbit slid out into lane two, his work finished for the day. That’s when Kinyor charged to the lead, shadowed closely by Sein and Mutai. Manang’oi was still lurking back in fifth place up until the pack hit 250 meters to go. There, Manang’oi launched into his signature kick, shooting into the lead with only 200 meters remaining. The entire police force was in a frenzy, cheering Elijah on to what we all hoped would be a fast time.
Get used to this view, 1500 runners of the world
Get used to this view, 1500 runners of the world
But right at the start of the final turn, Manang’oi did something strange. He looked backed at his teammate from the PEU, and pointed at him to come up and run on his shoulder. The fellow PEU athlete obliged, and the two men in pink singlets cruised down the final turn together, effectively blocking out their competitors from passing. It was an odd show of sportsmanship, but a powerful demonstration of how confident Manang’oi is in his kick. Coming off the final bend, with the top two spots safely in the PEU team’s hands, Manang’oi shifted gears and rocketed across the final 90 meters, waving to the crowd and sticking out his tongue in stride as he crossed the line in a world-leading 1:44.1. Manang’oi must have been watching some of Usain Bolt’s highlights from the 2008 Olympic final.
The show of sportsmanship and showmanship was exciting and entertaining, but the potential that Manang’oi has as a middle distance runner is mind boggling. Speaking to Litei after the race, we both agreed the Manang’oi could have run 1:42 Saturday had he not toyed around over the final 300 meters. That’s scary speed considering that the man is a 1500-meter runner. But it’s not just that Manang’oi is fast, but that his speed late in a race is incredible, maybe even unparalleled (watch his close in last year’s World Championship final for proof). And at only 25 years old, the sky may be the limit for this young Maasai. But can he reach that pantheon-like level of form by August?
“As long as I keep concentrating on the Olympics, who knows?â€
It makes Asbel in 3:26 shape. He beat him at the 1500
you clearly didn't see his '14 thumping of nijel when in 3'28+ shape, when he ran 1'43.3 with ~ 6m extra wide on bends & easing off at finish
all this off jog of a start
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He always likes to start off slow and run wide, I can't see that changing. If he did I still don't think he will break 1:42 - talk of a WR is ridiculous
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letsrun correspondent thinks the guy he beat last year, managanoi is currently in 1'42+ shape, so what does that make Asbel who is quite clearly the big fry there ?
[quote]ventolin^3 wrote:
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Perhaps Managanoi has improved, either way that does not mean Kiprop is going sub 1:42
ukathleticscoach wrote:
"you clearly didn't see his '14 thumping of nijel when in 3'28+ shape, when he ran 1'43.3 with ~ 6m extra wide on bends & easing off at finish
all this off jog of a start
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He always likes to start off slow and run wide, I can't see that changing. If he did I still don't think he will break 1:42 - talk of a WR is ridiculous
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because he races 800 not chased clock which may change
can't you figure that if you run 6m extra in a 1'43.3, your route-1 time tight in lane 1 is ~ 1'42.5 ???
knock off some ore tenths easing off at the finish & time thrown away jogging at the start -> ~ 1'42-flat
that was in '14 when he only ran 3'28+
[quote]letsrun correspondent thinks the guy he beat last year, managanoi is currently in 1'42+ shape, so what does that make Asbel who is quite clearly the big fry there ?
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Perhaps Managanoi has improved, either way that does not mean Kiprop is going sub 1:42
see above when Asbel was capable of ~ 1'42-flat in 3'28+ shape
mandingo has almost certainly improved as still getting used to big time, but no one woud believe he is Asbel's match at 800 or 1500
they both ran seprate heats at eldoret coupla weeks ago :
mandingo : 1'46 with -ve split 54/52, probably worth ~ 1'44-high off 2s +ve splits
Asbel : 1'44.6 with some wide running to overtake leader on 3rd bend, probably worth ~ 1'44-low if route-1
i'd suggest the gap between them over 800 currently is ~ 0.5s which you can subtract from mandingo's 1'42+ current shape
'that was in '14 when he only ran 3'28+'
When does the reality of what someone actually run ever come into your calculations.
Your comment about Kiprop setting the WR for 800m is laughable
Souleiman is better at the 800 than Kiprop! He is more of an 800m guy.
To use your insane terminology, Souleiman is 800/1500 and Kiprop 1500/800
Metric Miler wrote:Souleiman is better at the 800 than Kiprop!
i doubt it, despite Souly being in intrinsic
~ 1'41.5
He is more of an 800m guy
no
he only took up 800 in '13
he won bronze same year & in intrinsic 1'41.5 shape within 3y !!!
To use your insane terminology, Souleiman is 800/1500
no
he is 1500 runner running 800 :
1500/800
and Kiprop 1500/800
correct
now, consider, Souly was likely ~ 1'41.5 shape here in eugene, what shape was Asbel in considering huge wide running he did to the bell !!!
then consider how much he made up on Souly wide on last lap !!!
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