Harriott Tubman to replace Jackson on the $20 Bill....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rebel rouser wrote:

Has his unit, still wrote:

Caitlin still has her penis and likes to use it with women. Maybe the $4 bill should be hers. $3 bills are for normal gay people, not Caitlin weirdo types.

If Caitlin were on the $3 bill, you can say it identifies as a $20 bill and people will be forced to accept it. If they don't they are bigots.

This thread is winning! Great stuff.

DiscoGary wrote:

rebel rouser wrote:

If Caitlin were on the $3 bill, you can say it identifies as a $20 bill and people will be forced to accept it. If they don't they are bigots.

This thread is winning! Great stuff.

Gee willickers, thanks GARY!

coach deez nuts wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

This thread is winning! Great stuff.

Gee willickers, thanks GARY!

Do I detect some cultural appropriation going on there?

DiscoGary wrote:

Wait til they find out she was a deeply religious Christian. Uh-oh. I don't think there's any evidence that she was gay or transsexual either, so the people who thought this choice was politically correct are just showing what kind of old school bigots they really are.

They blew their chance.

Can you explain the positive purpose of this post?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Wait til they find out she was a deeply religious Christian. Uh-oh. I don't think there's any evidence that she was gay or transsexual either, so the people who thought this choice was politically correct are just showing what kind of old school bigots they really are.

They blew their chance.

Can you explain the positive purpose of this post?

Sure.

Our country has gone from celebrating successful people to celebrating victims, preferably victims of white American Christians. This is why Tubman is being put on the Twenty. To focus even more attention on the victimhood of slaves, and by extension portray all blacks living now as victims of USAs original sin of slavery.

This is a politically correct choice intended to keep the race issue front and center and ensure that the wedge between the races continues to drive us apart. The OP nailed it by asking what "white people" would think of this. That is whole point of the choice... to give leftists another chance to accuse white people of being racist. You watch. That's what the story will be. I'm sure it's already written.

I focused on the PC aspect because I think that's what this is about.

Says the guy who already played the Christian victim card. Wah.

Per the OP's request, and speaking as a white male:

Very nearly anyone would be better than that murderous thug Andrew Jackson. (This is serious, btw.) Harriet Tubman would be a fine choice IMHO.

Make sense. Liberals are promoting people with mental illness. It would make sense for they to put someone who was mental ill on our currency.

Has it? I saw the Broncos parade in Denver, not a Browns parade in Cleveland.

Without having any insight into what you might have in mind, since the majority of Americans have been white Christians, it stands to reason that, if for no other reason than random chance, a given victim is more likely to have suffered at the hands of a white Christian than any other racial-religious combination in America.

Do you consider Harriet Tubman to be a national hero? Is she deserving of celebration as a national icon, to represent positive values of the United States?

Do you think that slaves in the United States were victims of oppression?

At what point do you think the social and economic consequences of slavery on persons of African American descent ceased to be an impediment on their ability to advance en masse in the United States?

Give me your choice. I agree this is a very politically correct choice but, beyond that, you've read this entirely wrong. Had they selected James Madison instead, the race issue would be very much front and center as to why another white male was chosen in the most diverse first world nation the world has ever known.

It isn't. I try not look for an opportunity to denigrate someone. Can you make a list, in your order of preference, of who you would like to see appear on the $20 bill? This isn't in an effort to label you as being racist; I want to see where Harriet Tubman would fall on your list. I think she's an excellent choice because it's almost universally agreed that slavery is massive and unforgettable black eye in American history and she is legend for the extent she risked her life to help people escape bondage and find freedom. She's a hero. Why does inclusiveness bother you so much (and I apologize in advance if it doesn't and I've grossly misread your writing)?

You can find anything on the internet.

I disagree.

I think the Feds win twice on this. They get credit from the Black people for choosing a Black person, and the get kudos from the Women Libs for putting a woman on the bill. Good move from that standpoint.

White Lives Dont Matter wrote:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/04/harriet_tubman_replacing_andre.html

Curious to hear what you white folks think about that.

Why do you say you white folks when you are white?

White Lives Dont Matter wrote:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/04/harriet_tubman_replacing_andre.html

Curious to hear what you white folks think about that.

About time.

Jackson was a racist mass murderer.

Ms.Tubman was a great human being

Jeff Wigand wrote:

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At what point do you think the social and economic consequences of slavery on persons of African American descent ceased to be an impediment on their ability to advance en masse in the United States?

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I do not know exactly when we passed the point when slavery could no longer be used as an excuse for widespread cultural failure, but we passed it a long time ago.

That's what this is all about. Promoting the White Privilege meme that the sin of slavery can never be washed off a person's white skin. NEVER! It's been 150 years and people who had nothing to do with any of it are still being held accountable for the sins of their great grandfathers. The race hustle will never end. 300 years from now, the whining will still be going on. I don't accept it anymore.

Who would I put on the twenty? Well I would send an entirely different message with my choice:

Todd Beamer

The guy who took down the plane that was destined for either the Capital or the White House. He went down fighting. Yeah, Tubman was a hero, but Beamer is far more relevant to the real issues we face today. Or pick some other hero that died fighting the Islamo-fascists. Send THAT message, instead of continuing the national hand wringing contest over PC issues.

wineturtle wrote:

You regularly bribe the Maître d'hôtel 40 bucks to get a table? You are an odd duck.

Umm..... wrote:

So now when I go to a booked restaurant and want to be seated I'm gonna have to ask if there's room for my party and 2 Ms. Tubman's. Sounds weird. Probably won't work anymore.

Odd indeed. I can eat the whole day on that kind of money.

DiscoGary wrote:

Todd Beamer

Great choice.

Janet Jackson would have made more sense. Could still call a twenty a "Jackson".

Could you give me an approximate year? Because the lack of economic capital, lack of education, segregation and widespread prejudice and from those with capital and property and barriers to integration would have certainly left these gaps well entrenched. And since this portion of the population was so economically disenfranchised, and since the single best predictor of a person's success in life is their parents' income and education level, it's easy to this a viscous cycle that's difficult to break.

I think you've misread this. It's not say that white people today are personally responsible for slavery and its consequences. But I don't how you can argue that, all other factors being equal, a white person will encounter fewer obstacles in life than a non-white person, especially a black person. I wouldn't ask that you sit at home and mourn because of this, but just know that it exists and do your part.

That's fine, but you would want to add the dozen or others that also prevented the success the terrorists' mission. Is Tubman your second choice?

Andrew Jackson was a very consequential person. He was physically and mentally courageous, as a teen during the Revolution, as a hero of the Indian wars in the South, and as a general in the War of 1812. There are statues of him and cities and counties named after him all over the South (indeed, all over the country). He forever changed the nature of American governance, as President making it more populist and democratic, and making the Democratic Party the dominant political force in the US for about three decades. He was the bane of the upper crust Eastern political establishment and the Whig Party. His stamp on the Democratic Party continued through Woodrow Wilson, and beyond the time of Wilson in the South.

On the other hand, he was quick to challenge others to duels for the least slight to his or his wife's honor (killing one man), an Indian fighter who treated Native Americans abominably (see "Trail of Tears") and dishonestly. Go visit his home (the Hermitage) near Nashville and you'll find he was a big-time slave owner, was one of the founders of Memphis (major center of the slave trade) and his adopted son owned large cotton plantations in Mississippi that employed slaves. The Democrats are happy now to erase Jackson from their institutional memory.

In my opinion Harriet Tubman was a hero of the abolitionist movement, a giant of American history, and is an altogether fitting replacement for Jackson on the $20 bill. I think that Frederick Douglass deserves an equivalent place of honor as well.

I think Disco Gary is the most whiny victim I've met. He makes our race look bad.

I work in a setting that is probably 90% black, and I am one of the 10% white. I work alongside black doctors who are doing a killer job of providing healthcare to the poor of all colors, white included (about 60% of our patients). None of the black people I work with (from the lowest paid medical assistants to the CMOs/drs) are complaining or whining about slavery. Nor has anyone ever made me feel bad about being white. I was warmly welcomed from day one by just about everyone I work with.

I celebrate black and white heroes through history. I also don't ignore the impact of red-lining, Jim Crow laws, and discrimination in distributing an advantage to one race over the other. Nor do I think we should look at problems in black and white terms. I have met many poor white folks with little to no historical advantage living in rural Appalachia. the deal is that everyone wants a spot at the table. I am happy to see someone who stood against oppression on our $20 bill. She risked her life to save others. We should be proud to claim her as a part of our history.

Gary, stop watching Fox news, and meet some successful black people. It will change your perspective.