It is very much primary.
Of tuft wrote:
Is climbing a primary activity? Or just something you do on the side?
It is very much primary.
Of tuft wrote:
Is climbing a primary activity? Or just something you do on the side?
Gray Fox wrote:
It is very much primary.
Of tuft wrote:Is climbing a primary activity? Or just something you do on the side?
Did ya used to run a lot of 800s too?
If 6x, 8x and 10x800 is a lot, yes.
Of tuft wrote:
Gray Fox wrote:It is very much primary.
Did ya used to run a lot of 800s too?
Gray Fox wrote:
59 here and still have 29-inch waist and 160 lbs with under 10% BF. I put on a an extra 5-7 lbs this winter but it melted off when I cut the carbs to less than 200g/day (fruit, no starch or refined sugar)and focused on healthy, mostly saturated fats. .
3/10.
( a little credit for the details in the rest of your posts, but the "healthy sat fats" line is a dead giveaway. Nice try , crossfit clown real_1 )
Crossfit is a scam which thankfully has peaked after a little over a decade and is in decline. Saturated fats have been essential to the human diet for over a million years. Only in the corporate-driven perversion of the modern diet have they been demonized and replaced with distilled and deformed, life-destructive chemicals (PUFAs and trans-fats).
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
Gray Fox wrote:59 here and still have 29-inch waist and 160 lbs with under 10% BF. I put on a an extra 5-7 lbs this winter but it melted off when I cut the carbs to less than 200g/day (fruit, no starch or refined sugar)and focused on healthy, mostly saturated fats. .
3/10.
( a little credit for the details in the rest of your posts, but the "healthy sat fats" line is a dead giveaway. Nice try , crossfit clown real_1 )
Up to age 50, I could eat whatever I wanted. Ages 50-60, I had to watch what I eat. Over age 60, my normal weight has increased about 5 pounds in spite of watching what I eat. Getting down to race weight in summer is increasingly hard.On the bright side, I have more muscle due to a lifting class 4 days a week.
To answer the thread's actual question: 30.
I'll say 32.
Regulate your beer intake and keep that 2 hour trail run in your weekly schedule and you should be OK.
Ditch the craft brews for Miller Lite. Seriously, you may get beer snob bragging rights, but those are 300 calorie sugar bombs.
burgermeister wrote:
But you can still get diabetes or heart disease from eating junk all the time. Weight =/= health.
THIS
SKINNY FAT runners are as unhealthy as OBESE couch potatoes.
So many former Marathon runners have had heart attacks (e.g. Salazar) or Cancer (e.g. Rodgers).
The problem is these athletes train long distance over decades which eats away all muscle, then they retire, continue their high carb low fat diet and gain weight without any muscle.
Gray Fox wrote:
Crossfit is a scam which thankfully has peaked after a little over a decade and is in decline. Saturated fats have been essential to the human diet for over a million years. Only in the corporate-driven perversion of the modern diet have they been demonized and replaced with distilled and deformed, life-destructive chemicals (PUFAs and trans-fats).
Cross fit has its good and bad points but is of course mainly overhyped and a cult.
On the sat fat issue: no one has claimed that these fats need to be eliminated from ones diet. It has only been stated (by most experts) that an excess can lead to some health issues and that naturally occurring unsaturated fats are healthier.
As far as sat fats being "essential to the human diet", a) they are not essential fatty acids (the PUFAS that *you* and those like you have "demonized" are, and b) many things that are essential (like sun and water) to our health can quickly become destructive in higher amounts.
Lastly, you say that Crossfit is a scam. Maybe you should be careful embracing the diet plan they promote ( low carb high sat fat) , one many experts feel is at least as big a "scam".
I agree the metabolism stuff if mostly BS.
I just gradually got less active , I didn't run after 30 but did physical work went dancing a lot, hiked. I gradually gained weight for the next 20 years, 15-20 pounds, this is completely normal. However, nearing 50 all the sudden became more sedentary and added another 20 in a few years. Would have kept going up. Went to 20-40 miles a week a spin class here and there and have been as much as 45 pounds under my top weight. I lost the first 30 in a matter of a few months, it was easy. I am maintaining as a total hobby jogger at 30-35 pounds under my top weight. Age might just be an excuse. I eat about 80% normal foods and 20% junk. I am 6'5 BTW. I weigh 185 topped out near 220 and was recently 175 experimenting with skipping food. I would have to do high mileage to stay at 175 and I would be tired all the time, lower quality of life.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
an excess can lead to some health issues and that naturally occurring unsaturated fats are healthier.
So why is Coconut oil then considered a health supplement and wonder food by the same scientists?
1 tbsp of coconut oil has 60% of the daily recommended limit for sat fats?
So basically if I eat 2 tbsps of coconut oil per day I am one step closer to a heart attack?
The day before my 31st birthday, I just turned 32 on Sunday, I stepped on the scale and saw a number 35 pounds higher than I was when I was 28. I hadn't run much in the past three years and had two kids in the mean time. I thought to myself, "maybe I should pay attention to what I eat." Later that day I created an account on My Fitness Pal to monitor my caloric intake. I lost 15 pounds pretty quick (about 2 months).
My wife purchased 21 day fix. Clean eating, container count, and 30 minute exercise videos each day. I thought it was dumb, but it was easier to be unified in diet so I tried it out. I lost 10 pounds over the next two months. I then went on "maintenance mode" (I ate clean, but didn't keep track of containers while still working out) and lost another 5. Holidays hit and I gained 5 back. I've been hit or miss on diet the last two months. Starting to be more intentional with food and workouts this week.
My eating habits were formed when I was 18-20 and running 60-70 mpw in college. After practice we'd head to the dining hall and eat until we felt like we were going to throw up. I probably should have started monitoring my caloric intake a few years before I actually did especially when my running pretty much stopped. It's shocking to start adding up your calories if you've never done it before. Not sure if you wanted my weight loss story, but there it is.
45 when I switched to every other day running.
"My eating habits were formed when I was 18-20 and running 60-70 mpw in college."
Most runners who begin in their teens are used to pounding down sugar and carbs and not having to worry about much other than getting enough calories for the next workout. When at some point (injury, job, life) they are forced to re-allot their time and energy, they are still locked in to their previous eating habits and *boom* find themselves 20-30 lbs overweight by age 30.
In my case I approached 30 under the common delusion that whole grains were "healthy carbs" and gorged myself accordingly, to the point where I was literally passing out from internal inflammation and bleeding. I was not overweight though, as my body couldn't even retain the calories I was taking in the form of bread, cereal, pasta, etc.. Everything was being discharged as quickly as possible as they were now systemic toxins. Only radical dietary changes altered, and eventually reversed, the condition. I owe my excellent health today to constant and thorough evaluation of every aspect of my lifestyle.
That was decades ago; in 2016, there are paradigms of eating that are available that weren't then, usually borne on the back of hard life experience such as my own.
My running in my 20s was very inconsistent. 6 months on 12 months off, etc. But I was still a total stick figure even though I was not very active and ate whatever I wanted.
In my early 30s, I finally got into a solid grove for running and racing. If I was in good shape, I would be about 135 lbs. If I got hurt, I would level off at 140. When I hit 40, I could gain weight much faster than before when I had to take time off for injuries (I am terrible about cross training and almost never do it). I most recently hit almost 150 after an extended break to heal up an injury. Before hitting 40, the weight would come off just by running. Now, I have to carefully balance carbs and watch calorie load to get the weight off. It also takes a lot longer to drop weight. In my 30s, I ate whatever I wanted and the weight would come off quickly.
Age definitely matters. When I was younger, I could pig out at a nice restaurant without consequences. Now, if I really throw down at a meal, I will gain a pound or two and it will a few weeks of watching portions to burn it off.
I'm 56, and 6-1, 175.
I quit competitive running at age 24. I was a 1:51/3:48/14:44 guy and weighed around 145 at my peak (and was 1 inch shorter. Some time between the age of 22-28 I grew an inch).
By 28 I was 158. Still real skinny. I ran 20-35 miles a week, and had an active job. Played a lot of BB as well. I quit running completely at 30. Got a desk job and gained about 10 pounds by age 32. 168 is probably about ideal for me. So I was not too bad. Maybe a little more fat, and a little less muscle than ideal, but not bad.
However, between the age of 32-36 I slowly crept up to 180. I gained muscle, but also belly fat. Then between 36-53 I bounced between 180-198. I ate too many carbs, too many sugars, too much wine and was not as active as I should have been, but I did walk 30-45 minutes a day. I was not completely inactive, but I also did not get my heart rate up much.
At 53 I did an elimination diet for 3 months and got down to 177. No gluten, dairy, sugar, and lots of other inflammatory foods were off as well. I slowly creep up to 185 after stopping that and have gone semi-paleo since then getting back down to 175. I'm more active now as well. I still walk a lot, but I jog, do some intervals, and weights.
I gotta say, during those years of bouncing around I tired every diet imaginable. The only thing that has worked in cutting simple carbs and vegetable oils.
I was always a little soft as a teenager, even as a high school distance runner. Then I joined the Marines in my early 20s, and got fit very quickly. But by my mid 20s, while still in the Marines, I noticed myself getting soft again. Now, in my early 30s, I really have to watch the calories to keep the gut off.
Most of my running buddies that are still going strong through 30's, 40's and 50's all have made some type of adjustment. The fact is that unless you are serious about limiting caloric intake and running/training on a consistent basis, you will get slower and fatter. It's simply a matter of time.
You will get slower unless the laws of aging cease to exist when you happen to strap on your running shoes. Nearly all the guys I know training past 40 are simply focused on staying away from injuries enough to train consistently and modify their diet accordingly. It's so much easier for me to get injured in my-mid 40s than it ever was in my 20's.
I'd say I began noticing a decline in my early to mid 30's. But it's not simply, I couldn't eat what I wanted. I couldn't run 10 X 800 at 5k race pace without getting injured. I couldn't do 3 hard days a week for 5 straight weeks without getting injured. I couldn't do the things I normally did to manage my fitness and weight. So, I had to make adjustments.
One of the biggest adjustments I've made over the years is I exercise 5-6 days a week no matter what all year. I used to take 2-3 months off every winter, but that is no longer possible post 40. I eat mostly what I want, but I try my best not to eat until I'm angry at myself. And trust me, I eat that much at least twice a year to remind myself not to do it.
The guys I know in their 50s that are still mostly healthy and look great are crazy about diet and fitness. They are the lucky ones, I know so many guys who just quit around 45-50 because it's so much more work to just be average. Guys who were 2:30 marathoners are barely breaking 23 minutes for a 5k and don't care anymore.
I take the approach that my fitness today is the gift I give myself and my children when I'm in my 60's and they want me to come help them with my grand children or help with chores around their house. My wife's father is in his mid 60's and he's had so much more quality time with his kids and grand kids because he has been very diligent about his health over the years. He was never psychotic about it, just diligent about keeping in good health. We see him so much and do so many cool things with him that he can actually participate in, it's a real inspiration. And he still drinks beer, eats pizza and does stupid crap with me all the time.
So, the short answer is 34. But the better answer is, don't ever stop caring about your health and your fitness. One day your youth will be gone and the steps you've taken to take care of yourself will be the way you are able to enjoy and live your life.
I was 151 pounds when I gave up distance running and put on maybe only ten more pounds over the next twenty-five years. Then I got plantar fasciitis at age 48 and by the end of the 2-3 years that this was a problem I put on another ten pounds. And now in my early sixties I have another unwelcome ten, mostly in my belly, and do what I can -- short of starting heavy biking or whatever, which I keep saying I'll do -- I've stayed at this weight for a while. So at 65 years of age the one-time skinny kid has put on 30 pounds. I hate it, and I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it every day. :)