Send me one too. rhbrunner@comcast.net
Send me one too. rhbrunner@comcast.net
wow wrote:
Wow.. In 2003 as a senior in high school, I was one out of 170 milers in the United States. Definetly humbling.
Or you could look at it another way, you're one of the best in the country! How many people can say that?
Malmo -
Please email me the color coded version:
Also, what was/were your source(s) for the info you compiled?
Thanks
Hi Malmo
Great work. Would you be so kind as to send a color coded copy to:
Thanks ahead
Hoya X
Malmo-
If you could send me that color version of the chart that'd be awesome. Thanks.
-KO
Interesting list. Malmo, please send me a copy at chessguy8609@yahoo.com.
I'd be grateful for a color copy as well, Malmo. Thanks
Are you sure this list is accurate? Where did you get your lists from? I ran 9:07 and 4:14 (3200 & 1600) in 1997 and which put me at 20th at the end of the year for the 3200 and a good 2 seconds off the top 25 list for the 1600 that year. If you convert my times to 2 mile and mile, your list shows I would have been around 15th on the 2 mile list and 20 - 25th on you mile list, which I wasn't. Anyway, I don't really want to argue over my high school times, but just want to make sure we're looking at an accurate representation.
Bigbobby wrote:
Are you sure this list is accurate?
. Anyway, I don't really want to argue over my high school times, but just want to make sure we're looking at an accurate representation.
If you have a better source than Jack Shepards annual I'm all ears. 1997 was verified by two different contributers independently.
Times for 3200:
From one source
1997 (3200) 8:54.93..9:07.80..9:09.17..9:11.21..9:12.8..9:13.72..9:15.66..9:16.25
From another source (Jack Shepard)
1997 2 mile
8:58.0 9:10.9 9:12.3 9:14.3 9:15.9 9:16.8 9:18.8 9:19.3 9:20.5
Are these the fastest time per year?
I graduated in 1979 and I know for a fact that the times shown are wrong. I can get you the correct figures if you like. THere were many more faster times then. Off the top of my head I know there were 5 guys under 9:00 and another 4 guys between 9:00-9:02.
Do you also count indoor times?
Thanks
Oldschooler
Let's see the facts oldschooler?
From TAFN annual:
2 miles
8:36.3 Jeff Nelson
8:47.8 Jim Hill
8:52.2 Charles Logan
8:52.4 Chuck Assuma
8:52.6 Jeff Adkins
8:52.6 John Ziska
8:53.6i Bobby Beck
8:55.0 Rob Wentworth
8:55.7 Tom Downs
9)
9:01.9 Linn Whatcott
9:02.1 Vince Draddy
9:02.2 Ken Ernst
9:02.2 Dwight Stevens
9:03.1i Paul Medvin
3000
8:18.3 Jeff Hess converts to 8:58
8:21.6 Matt Blaty
8:21.6 Jeff Vandereems
8:22.7 Tom Stevens
malmo, FYI... some years include indoor marks, others do not.
For example, 1976 includes Hunt's 4;02 indoor mile record (at the time), yet Lindgren's 8;40 1964 indoor record is not.
Dave Merrick's 1971 indoor 8;43 is not listed.
Are 3000 conversions consistently listed? Rupp's 8;03 is converted to 8;42?
Are 1500 conversions listed?
Also similar post @TFN.
Vince Draddy ran 3;44 in HS, which converts to better than the listed mile best for 1979 and Ryun ran 3;39 1500 in 1964, better than 3;59 mile.
ed gee wrote:
malmo, FYI... some years include indoor marks, others do not.
For example, 1976 includes Hunt's 4;02 indoor mile record (at the time), yet Lindgren's 8;40 1964 indoor record is not.
Dave Merrick's 1971 indoor 8;43 is not listed.
Are 3000 conversions consistently listed? Rupp's 8;03 is converted to 8;42?
Are 1500 conversions listed?
Also similar post @TFN.
You're on the mark on all points.
Track and Field News and Shepard did not maintain consistency in reporting their lists throughout the years. Most years they included indoor times; in the 60s they did not. In the case of 1971, the point is moot. Merrick let the country outdoors, as well, with 8:49.0.
Yes, of course Rupps 3k was converted.
When ever there were split lists (1500/mile) we combined them. 1600/3200 were converted, as well.
Right, I remember Merrick also leading the outdoor 2 as did Lindgren in 1964. However, I was not sure if perhaps there were indoor marks that may have been missed. For example, in 1974, Rudy Chapa ran 8;55 indoors, but may not have been under 9 outdoors. Merrick's 4;05 mile and 8;43 were run on the oversized U of IL track and were listed separately at the time.
I do not have the 1977 list with me, but I remember it as having ~18 at 8;55 or better, then a gap to 9;00. Of course, time may have altered the recollection.
Certainly enjoyed the lists.
Ever talk to our mutual friend Alex K (former 2;13 marathoner for AW, now living in PA)?
If you are interested this link has links to .jpegs of the annual lists at TAFN
http://www.lhs.fuhsd.org/ATHLETICS/TRACK/STATE_BK/statehis.htm
Just click on the year, scroll down through the commentary and look for the TAFN link.
malmo wrote:
Just click on the year, scroll down through the commentary and look for the TAFN link.
BTW, Alex is now in West Virginia.
Malmo, I remember the internet connection being brought up before. You are correct that this made a huge difference when runners see what others are capable of, they gain the knowledge and confidence they can accomplish the same thing.
My personal experience was running roadraces between my 8th grade and freshman year in high school. My first 10k I ran 42:20. First in my age group was 37://??. I was shocked that someone else my age could run that fast, but was willing to work as hard as I could to catch them. By the end of the summer I ran 37:16. Having never been to a cc meet before, I was second runner on our team the first meet. The upperclassman only had their sights on being the best in our little area. I had set my sights on being the best in a larger area not realizing I had already passed them up.
With the internet, more runners can set their sights on being national class rather than just being the best in their area.
A question I would have is did the decline continue into college during this time also?
Malmo -
Thanks for the emails. Much appreciated.