Check this out, Donavan Brazier ran a 1:14.98 600 in November!!!

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  • rojo
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 3:31pm CST
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    This afternoon there was a teleconference for the media with Donavan Brazier. We'll have a piece up on it later but wanted to share one of the most interesting things we learned from it.

    While Brazier's recent 1:45.93 clocking in the 800 may have stunned most fans, it may not have stunned you if you knew what he did in practice. It was said on the call today that Brazier ran a 1:14.98 600 on the outdoor track in November.

    According to letsrun.com stat/coaching guru John Kellogg, a 1:14.98 600 is equivalent to a 1:45.72 800.

    We'll have more on what we learned from talking to Brazier later today or early tomorrow.
  • reed
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 3:47pm CST
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    I bet he won't run 1:45 again indoors, and probably even outdoors. Who does 600m time trials in November?
  • Plausible Denial
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 3:54pm CST
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    AR = 1:15.30 Cas Loxsom

    Kellog's conversion is spot on.

    If he stays healthy, no way tis kid isn't running 1:43 this year.
  • Plausible Denial
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 3:58pm CST
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    Good chance of a 45-low 400 indoors as well.
  • systemiia
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 3:59pm CST
    re: Plausible Denial
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    Plausible Denial wrote:

    AR = 1:15.30 Cas Loxsom

    Kellog's conversion is spot on.

    If he stays healthy, no way tis kid isn't running 1:43 this year.


    who IS going to burn out - mark my words
    he IS not going to run sub 1:44 - don't be foolish
  • Seriously mate?
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 3:59pm CST
    re: rojo
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    So he's in the same shape in January as he was in November? Is that a good or bad thing?
  • nufin new
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:03pm CST
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    C'mon man, seriously, why all the excitement?

    When he runs sub 1:43, then grab yourself a beer and start to get a little excited. An almost 1:46 800m runner is just nothing special. Training sessions are great for internal confidence but mean jack in a race.

    Sure, he is youngish and has potential but stats tell us that most never achieve their potential for so many reasons.

    Next!
  • Plausible Denial
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:05pm CST
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    Sorry, AR is 1:15.33. WR is 1:15.12

    600 METERS
    1:15.12 Nico Motchebon (Germany) 02/28/99
    1:15:26 Adam Kszczot (Poland) 02/05/12
    1:15.31 Mohamed Aman (Ethiopia) 02/02/14
    1:15.33 Casimir Loxsom (US) 03/01/15
    1:15.58(A) ————Loxsom 01/24/15
    1:15.60 Dmitrijs Milkevics (Latvia) 02/05/05
  • nufin new
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:07pm CST
    re: Plausible Denial
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    Oh yeah Nico Motchebon, the amazing 600m runner.

    How did he get on in the 800m?
  • Ol Grumpus
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:09pm CST
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    Plausible Denial wrote:

    Sorry, AR is 1:15.33. WR is 1:15.12

    The WR/AR is 1:12.81. According to the OP, Brazier ran his 1:14.98 outdoors.
  • runnerdnerd
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:29pm CST
    re: reed
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    reed wrote:

    I bet he won't run 1:45 again indoors, and probably even outdoors. Who does 600m time trials in November?

    My college coach made us (our middle distance group) do a 600m time trial in November during my Freshman year. She also had us do a 1500m, 10 minute, and 4 mile time trial all in a 7 day span. The first one was on a Wednesday, then another on Friday, then the third one the following Monday, then the final one that Wednesday. She let us as a group choose the order we would do them and we chose 600m on wed, 4mile on friday, 1500 on Monday, and 10 minute on Wednesday. We had a workout after each of these time trials as well.

    I thought it was weird at the time. Now that I am a coach, I wouldn't do this with my athletes. I would do a 600m time trial and have them run a 5k road race instead. Combined with training splits, those two data points should give you 90% of the information you want with less distraction from training than doing 4 time trials in two weeks.

    In the case of what my college did, we ended up with times all over the map because of it being time trials as well as being too close together. I ran 1:23 for the 600, 21:18 for the 4 mile on Friday (perfectly flat, but accurately measured), 4:10 for the 1500 (coming through 1200 in 3:12, man did I die hard), and only 3100 meters for the 10 minute.
  • gary lou reed
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:29pm CST
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    nufin new wrote:

    Oh yeah Nico Motchebon, the amazing 600m runner.

    How did he get on in the 800m?

    The Velvet Underground and Motchebon is my favorite record in the world. That European son could really run run run.
  • Metric Miler
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:38pm CST
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    I am confused with the negativity on this and other threads about Brazier. An 18 year old ran 1:45 indoors, pretty much solo. This is a good thing for the future of American middle distance running, surely!
  • Had Some Myself
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:45pm CST
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    nufin new wrote:

    Oh yeah Nico Motchebon, the amazing 600m runner.

    How did he get on in the 800m?

    A pair of World Indoor bronze medals from '93 & '99.
    5th in the Olympics in '96 with a 1:43 high.
  • missin da point
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:52pm CST
    re: Metric Miler
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    he has potential but it's unlikely to come to anything. Lots of guys around the world do this kind of stuff but very few go on to do much in the senior ranks.
  • been around 'ya know
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 4:52pm CST
    re: Metric Miler
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    I am confused by all the mentions of the run being solo. Solo is what you do in a time trial. It is very impressive but I want to see what he does in competition and traffic. I remember seeing his NBIN 2015 race and while he ran well, he didn't look like a world beater nor did he post his best time with competition.
  • Trialswatcher
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 5:11pm CST
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    One of the reasons why he is doing things that seem so unreal so early, is that we have not had a guy who runs sub 46 relay legs, 1:48 and 4:07 for a mile and his ability is unreal

    Yeah we see two out of three(800 and mile) , every so often, very rarely even sub 46 and 1:48 , coming our of HS or early frosh year.

    But., when you throw all three into the mix you have quite a unique talent. Plus a guy who sure was going to improve if you followed his senior year and some easy wins , that were fast,

    Yeah, folks will now come up with guys that could have done it, maybe, but no one I know has, and on paper, not hyperbole. Not before spring of frosh year?

    Not a U.S. kid anyway,
  • Metric Miler
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 5:17pm CST
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    I don't think it is true that lot's of guys around the world run sub 1:46 indoors at 18.
    This guy has a lot of talent and potential, possibly the potential to go sub 1:44 one day.
  • tony da tiger
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    4 years ago 01/19/2016 5:29pm CST
    re: rojo
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    Test this kids ASAP
    It's clear he is on that sauce
  • 96Owl
    4 years ago 01/19/2016 6:07pm CST
    re: rojo
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    Who the hell has a photo timer for 600m time trial in November? If there was no FAT then why report it to the hundreths? Hand times are crap anyway because very few people know how to do it properly. Was there a gun? Was it a rolling start?

    Even if he was off of that time by a second, would it make a difference with a hand time? What about 2 seconds? Most practice times are rough estimates anyway.

    I am sure that he ran fast but a reported FAT time for a 600m workout in November seems a bit suspect. All the trouble to set up a camera and have a starting gun for a practice 600m? Really?