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Why only a 2 year ban?
Secondly, if they decided the ban should start from April 2011, then their evidence points to doping at that time. Why wasn't there action in the past 4 years?
Good to see a doper go down, but just like with retrospective testing, this case does nothing to disincentivize doping. This disincentive is about the strongest hand anti-doping federations can play at the moment, and banning a 37-year-old runner who hasn't competed internationally for 18 months, (6 years after his best performances), does nothing to scare away other doping.
Clerk wrote:
Why only a 2 year ban?
Secondly, if they decided the ban should start from April 2011, then their evidence points to doping at that time. Why wasn't there action in the past 4 years?
Good to see a doper go down, but just like with retrospective testing, this case does nothing to disincentivize doping. This disincentive is about the strongest hand anti-doping federations can play at the moment, and banning a 37-year-old runner who hasn't competed internationally for 18 months, (6 years after his best performances), does nothing to scare away other doping.
1) 2 year ban as the 4-year ban only applies to doping after January 1, 2015.
2) It takes a long time for the BP to work. You get a series of tests over years and then looked at together, it's clear there is no reasonable explanation for them.
I disagree that it doesn't do anything to scare away doping. Yes, it would be better if it was more timely but any time the BP is nailing someone is a good thing that should be publicized. They need more and more cases like this to set the precedent of the BP nailing people.
One thing I learned in Chicago this year is the WMM is paying out there $500,000 purse over 5 years - $100,000 per year. So if you get banned let's say 2 years later, you don't get paid the rest. I joked, "You guys should wait 5 years and then pay it out in year's 6-10."
What if they started paying out first place checks over 5 years as well?
IAAF Dates the case April 4, 2011. Once a case is opened, it is only opened because there is evidence with which to move forward (the Passport panel must unanimously decide that the profile is suspicious just to open the case. The fact that there was a 4 year, "wait-and-see" period is an injustice to the athletes he was defrauding during that time.
Do you think Bouramdann is in Morocco telling Jr. athletes, "Man, I really regret doping." when he has already been paid, has no incentive to repay, and is literally years removed from the events he is now disqualified from?
and it is criminal charges. I believe this is how many of the Italian "agencies" in cycling were outed. Dopers were facing jail time and spilled the beans on their suppliers to lessen / avoid jail time.
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and it is criminal charges. I believe this is how many of the Italian "agencies" in cycling were outed. Dopers were facing jail time and spilled the beans on their suppliers to lessen / avoid jail time.
Very, very rarely. Politics interferes with the judicial system. For example, political interests made sure that Operation Puerto blood bag identities were not revealed publicly.
Justice systems are interested in smuggling sometimes, and usually tax evasion. The case you are probably thinking of in Italy, Padova, is mostly about tax evasion. No one is going to jail, and no one is getting punished in a way that dissuades others from doping. The doctors are not loosing their licenses. The dopers involved are not disqualified or banned.
Judicial systems are good for exposing truths, but rarely translates into the kind of evidence needed for a sanction to occur in the athletic world.
And you expected this why?
Because the guy has a Muslim name?
Let me see if I have this.
When it comes to drugs, Kenyans are all suspect as are all Ethiopians, Algerians, Morrocons, Ugandans.
White Euros and white Americans are not -- unless coached by Salazar.
Have I got that right?
See, e.g.,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Moroccan_sportspeople_in_doping_cases
(almost all distance runners).
"Russian racewalker" would be worse, but you'd have to be willfully blind not to notice the number of Moroccan cases over the past few decades.
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White Euros and white Americans are not -- unless coached by Salazar.
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Erm, besides the Arne Gabius thread of course, no threads about white Euros doping starting.......NOW.
Oh, and all the Paula threads. Forget about those ones too.
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And you expected this why?
Because the guy has a Muslim name?
Let me see if I have this.
When it comes to drugs, Kenyans are all suspect as are all Ethiopians, Algerians, Morrocons, Ugandans.
White Euros and white Americans are not -- unless coached by Salazar.
Have I got that right?
I'm so tired of leftist political correctness being jammed down our throats and blinding us from obvious truths.
Fact: Moroccans have a disproportionately huge amount of dopers. I didn't say Algerians, Arabs, Muslims, or Italians - specifically Moroccans. I think most PED 'profiling' is accurate, but look at a big database of drug cheats and you will see a high volume of athletes from one relatively small country, and that's just the ones that got caught.
Go ahead, call us racist. Apart from maybe Russia, Moroccans are currently the most blatant doping country in the world.
How do you wrote:
And you expected this why?
Because he is a Moroccan distance runner.
How do you wrote:
Because the guy has a Muslim name?
Have I got that right?
No.
You have however outed yourself as a moron.
Shocker (sarcasm): rojo misspelled a word
He should have done what Paula did, blame it on altitude training.....or blame it on fatigue from racing.
I think there are lots of drug cheats in certain communities and not in others.
However, it is ironic that you decry liberals with every issue whether relevant or not. You also mock people for conforming to PC views when your own handle is a repeat of a conservative radio host. Do you think for yourself or just check in here with whatever Michael Savage told you to say today? People who repeat radio hosts are boring!
Apart from maybe Russia, Moroccans are currently the most blatant doping country in the world.[/quote]
Do you actually have any statistics to support that?
"expected this why?
Because the guy has a Muslim name?
Let me see if I have this."
- dude, just shut up. Seriously, shut up. This is expected because Moroccan distance runners are notorious for using/being banned for ped use. So, either you're new to the sport, or just s bleeding heart that fails to see the reality transpiring around him. Moroccan distance runners are historically as clean as American sprinters.
After all the guy's from Morocco!!!!!
One of those strange foreign countries where they are different than us,
and we're PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT AND KNOW EVERYTHING!!!!
Mugatu's crazy pills wrote:
"expected this why?
Because the guy has a Muslim name?
Let me see if I have this."
- dude, just shut up. Seriously, shut up. This is expected because Moroccan distance runners are notorious for using/being banned for ped use. So, either you're new to the sport, or just s bleeding heart that fails to see the reality transpiring around him. Moroccan distance runners are historically as clean as American sprinters.
Again. Do you guys have statistics showing Morrocan distance runners are so notorious for being caught using peds? By the way, like the way you also got a shot in at the American sprinters who are all black.
But heaven forbid any think you racist. Then the whining begins
Some American distance runners dope too. Like Mo Trafeh
What aboutery wrote:
Apart from maybe Russia, Moroccans are currently the most blatant doping country in the world.
Do you actually have any statistics to support that?
Wikipedia lists 37 Moroccans banned for doping, and that's not an up-to-date list. No other country has that many banned distance runners, and Morocco has considerably fewer athletes on the scene than Kenya or Ethiopia. That also doesn't count the Moroccan Bahrainians like Ramzi, the Moroccan Qataris like Driouch, the Moroccan Belgians like Mohammed Mourhit/Hassan Mourhit/Ridouane Es-Saadi, the Moroccan Dutch like Choukoud, Moroccan French like Ghezielle, or Moroccan Americans like Trafeh. Yeah not runners born in Morocco dope, but... a heck of a lot of them dope.