Finally: Hundreds of girls walk out of HS after a (transgender) dude is allowed to use the women's locker room

This whole thread is insane.

You can't just make believe that you are something and ask others to suspend reality. There is objective truth and it does not depend on whether or not you believe it.

OMG. Give me a break... kill this thread because it demeans you letsrun. It's beyond your social abilities to run a world class website. Embarassing for you really. Get a clue. You need help Weldon and Robert and believe me I like you. Letsrun needs to grow for the sake of T&F but the founders are acting clueless here.

First, I should start by saying that I completely support transgender people and their right live a completely normal life. This being said, however, this particular case is more complex than a simple right or wrong. Being 16 years old myself and a runner and swimmer I have experienced locker rooms enough to say I'm pretty comfortable in them, but I have to say I do support the girls walking out in this situation. AS A YOUNG GIRL I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING IN FRONT ON OR SEEING A MALE CHANGING. This is not because I am close minded or transphobic, it is simply because I am a young girl and I do not wish be made uncomfortable by her male parts in a situation where I am vaunerable.

What did the founding fathers say about transgenders?

Are they actually showering next each other?

Is this a fact?

Do brojos actually try to claim they are journalists?

douglas burke wrote:

What did the founding fathers say about transgenders?

First of all, we all crossed dressed. Second, we gave slaves no voting rights, but counted them 3/5 of a person In the census for the count of congressmen. We counted women, but gave them no voting rights.

So it's a complicted question.

It is rumored that 125 of 150 girls will be sentenced to jail time for discrimination and hate-crimes.

... Developing

Teenage girl wrote:

First, I should start by saying that I completely support transgender people and their right live a completely normal life. This being said, however, this particular case is more complex than a simple right or wrong. Being 16 years old myself and a runner and swimmer I have experienced locker rooms enough to say I'm pretty comfortable in them, but I have to say I do support the girls walking out in this situation. AS A YOUNG GIRL I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING IN FRONT ON OR SEEING A MALE CHANGING. This is not because I am close minded or transphobic, it is simply because I am a young girl and I do not wish be made uncomfortable by her male parts in a situation where I am vaunerable.

You realize that there was a point in history that people said the exact same things about negroes. "I'm not close minded but I would be very uncomfortable going to the bathroom with a black woman. Also, I have black friends"

What else are you uncomfortable with? someone with stumps for legs? A mentally challenged and physically deformed person? what about a person with internal testes.

The point is that you...not the person...is the real problem here. They don't find into your narrow sheltered existence, so you paint them into a corner they don't fit. They feel female, their mind tells them they are female, they have always felt that way so the fact that they have boy parts doesn't change that,

you need to grow up girlfriend.

Teenage girl wrote:

First, I should start by saying that I completely support transgender people and their right live a completely normal life. This being said, however, this particular case is more complex than a simple right or wrong. Being 16 years old myself and a runner and swimmer I have experienced locker rooms enough to say I'm pretty comfortable in them, but I have to say I do support the girls walking out in this situation. AS A YOUNG GIRL I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING IN FRONT ON OR SEEING A MALE CHANGING. This is not because I am close minded or transphobic, it is simply because I am a young girl and I do not wish be made uncomfortable by her male parts in a situation where I am vaunerable.

Stop pretending to be a teenage girl, Liberalism= a mental disorder. You psycho.

Jail_time_maybe wrote:

It is rumored that 125 of 150 girls will be sentenced to jail time for discrimination and hate-crimes.

rojo wrote: "Hundreds of girls walk out of HS..."

Source? Just wondering whether rojo can't read or whether he exaggerated, because the given source claims "Over 150 Students Walk Out Of School". That includes male students by the way, as the pictures clearly show. Over 150 students do not equal "hundreds of girls".

Either way would be quite embarrassing for a professional journalist, so most likely rojo had an additional source.

cant remember my longtime pwd wrote:

OMG. Give me a break... kill this thread because it demeans you letsrun. It's beyond your social abilities to run a world class website. Embarassing for you really. Get a clue. You need help Weldon and Robert and believe me I like you. Letsrun needs to grow for the sake of T&F but the founders are acting clueless here.

I don't agree that the thread demeans this website. At some point very soon, the transgender debate will deeply affect athletics. We aren't the first nation to wrestle with questions of gender identity, and we certainly won't be the last. I think that the reason this is getting so much attention from the brojos, is that eventually the dividing line between men's and women's event divisions will be called into question as well. As has been stated in the past, unified men's/women's competitive fields would absolutely kill women's athletics.

While there is a much larger debate going on here, this website should very much be discussing the impact of transgender athletes competing alongside women. What we are beginning to see, is the first wave of a generation that views men and women as not only equal members of society, but also sees no need to acknowledge or protect the uniqueness of either gender. There is a groundswell of popular support for this view already. What is starting as a debate involving high school locker rooms, will in short time spill into the NCAA and USATF world of competition. Letsrun needs to talk about this debate, rather than turn a blind eye to the implications for our sport that will surely arise in the future.

Phantasy Star wrote:

rojo "identifies" as a track & field journalist.

Oh my god: POY. No, sorry: POMFY.

This is so effing brilliant it kills me.

Dead End of Society wrote:

Why doesn't it occur to anyone that there is NO WAY to accommodate every want/need of every person in society simultaneously? I can't send my kid to school with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich because it might kill someone? WTF? And really, we aren't talking liberal or conservative, we're talking lawyers. You know - the only real winners in all this crap.

Why the stupid conflation? As a PEDS physician, I see dozens of kids each month with severe food allergies. Why would you want to send peanut butter to school if it can truly kill a child? Maybe you need to ask yourself that question. I am not sure what that has to do with this ridiculous debate, but it certainly isn't related.

It is common sense that peanut proteins are extremely hardy and often trigger Anaphylactic reactions due to proximity. Use SunButter and shut up about it. I would never wish a food allergy on anyone's child, but for Pete's sake have a little empathy for the kids. Damn.

Are you the same type of person that demands peanuts on an airplane because 'Merica!?

NoCommonSense! wrote:

Rojo - thank you very much for having the courage to publicly say how wrong this issue is. It's about wrong vs. right, not equally. The PC police have made every issue of "choice" about political rightness vs. decent, fair common sense. The transgenders don't want equality, they want privileges no else has. Shame on them and those who are pushing their agenda. Few people care that he's dressing as a woman. Just stay the hell out the the female bathroom as long as you have a penis.

Your welcome. I honestly thought about starting this under a fake name as I knew there would be haters but decided to use my name as common sense is going by the wayside.

Yes, the slippery sloper argument causes lots of problems. I mean some moron has said I'm for separate bathrooms for races.Absurd.

My one argument was ok, 'if you want to treat everyone equally then we should just have one bathroom. You either have people with penises in the men's bathroom or you have one bathroom for everyone. Those are the options I will accept based on logic. I threw the second one out there as a possibility and now people are saying i'm for rape.' So those people who say that might result in rape are supporting my initial argument.;

If you have a penis, use the men's restroom.

douglas burke wrote:

What did the founding fathers say about transgenders?

The original Constitution as written by the Founding Fathers did not address this issue, therefore it fell through the 10th Amendment to the States or to the People.

Since then the 14th Amendment was passed guaranteeing equal protection under the law (except for whites and Asians). So according to the new-found structuralists' interpretation of the 14th Amendment this person deserves to have the same privileges as any male or female. If it's an XY male, then he has the right to use the male locker room like everyone else. If it's an XX then it uses the female locker room. If it's some other combination then it has the right to a separate facility.

My understanding is that this person is an XY male, so he has the right to use the male locker room, and has no right to demand to use the female locker room.

What is truth? wrote:

This whole thread is insane.

You can't just make believe that you are something and ask others to suspend reality. There is objective truth and it does not depend on whether or not you believe it.

A = A

Liberals are all about "F Yeah Science" until science doesn't support their opinion anymore. Then science is no longer important.

All the great stuff, Ferguson etc, happens in St. Louis. Maybe the Gateway Arch is some kind of portal.

We all know that LBGT wants trump everyone else's desires...just as protecting Jewish privilege is more important than anyone else's right to life.

The Gay community has built a Lobby based on the extremely successful Jewish Lobby and is now dictating terms to the rest of us.