Want don't you rebut some of the assertions of those "right-wing" journalists? Your tactic is one Chewbacca always uses: "breitbart LOL." They have more credibility than any left-wing journalist(s) who have repeatedly lied.
Want don't you rebut some of the assertions of those "right-wing" journalists? Your tactic is one Chewbacca always uses: "breitbart LOL." They have more credibility than any left-wing journalist(s) who have repeatedly lied.
Global Warming Fraud wrote:
The claim of “consensus” can be traced back to a single article in the journal Science entitled “The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change” by Naomi Oreskes, a science historian who lacked qualifications in climatology.
Wrong. The claim of consensus is backed by multiple studies using multiple methods. Plus, we have the AGW statements from all major scientific bodies without a single dissenting opinion.
You conspiracy theorists only see what you want to see.
Global Warming Fraud wrote:
What? There have been numerous accounts of falsified data,fake hockey sticks, and false clams of consensus.
. . .
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/13/dana-perino/fox-news-host-climate-scientists-fabricated-temper/. . .
"The allegations raised by skeptics like the author of The Telegraph item have had no effect on the consensus that the Earth has seen an increase in temperatures over the past 100 years.
This claim has been debunked before. To continue to repeat it moves it into the realm of the ridiculous. We rate the claim Pants on Fire."
If you're trolling but subtly throwing in a fact checking article link that explains why the rest of your links are nonsense, then well done.
Dora the Agoraphobiac wrote:
Reasoned observer wrote:If the sea levels will rise no matter what we do to fight global warming, then what is the point of all of these efforts to implement regulations/policies to fight and stop global warming?
They have the added benefit of protecting the air we breathe and the water we drink. This is what I've never understood about the global warming debate: even if we aren't causing the planet to heat up sea levels to rise, it's indisputable that industrialization and pollution have some nasty effects on public heath and the environment, especially for people who live near industrial activity (i.e. the poors). Why wouldn't we try to minimize those ills and promote cleaner energy, especially when we know that the transition to clean energy is inevitable and more economically sensible in the long run?
Be careful -- you are being logical, objective, and considerate. That's dangerous here.
Pollllly P wrote:
Want don't you rebut some of the assertions of those "right-wing" journalists? Your tactic is one Chewbacca always uses: "breitbart LOL." They have more credibility than any left-wing journalist(s) who have repeatedly lied.
I don't rebut the journalists because:
1) I am not a climate scientist
2) The journalists are not climate scientists
I trust the professionals who actually know what they are talking about.
If you don't trust them then you are just a conspiracy theorist.
Fat hurts wrote:
Pollllly P wrote:Want don't you rebut some of the assertions of those "right-wing" journalists? Your tactic is one Chewbacca always uses: "breitbart LOL." They have more credibility than any left-wing journalist(s) who have repeatedly lied.
I don't rebut the journalists because:
1) I am not a climate scientist
2) The journalists are not climate scientists
I trust the professionals who actually know what they are talking about.
If you don't trust them then you are just a conspiracy theorist.
How about not trusting them because they have been repeatedly wrong. I have a much better track record than they. And you are so quick to label anyone "not trusting" climate scientists who have a really Sh!tty track record conspiracy theorists. So I guess those learned laypeople who questioned Ptolemy were conspiracy theorists too, when in fact they, thanks to Copernicus, were proved right.
Sally V wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:I don't rebut the journalists because:
1) I am not a climate scientist
2) The journalists are not climate scientists
I trust the professionals who actually know what they are talking about.
If you don't trust them then you are just a conspiracy theorist.
How about not trusting them because they have been repeatedly wrong. I have a much better track record than they. And you are so quick to label anyone "not trusting" climate scientists who have a really Sh!tty track record conspiracy theorists. So I guess those learned laypeople who questioned Ptolemy were conspiracy theorists too, when in fact they, thanks to Copernicus, were proved right.
You have a better track record? You think you are the Copernicus of climate science?
Who are you and where can we see your work in this field?
If you can't answer that last question then you are just a liar.
I can copy and paste too
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Pollllly P wrote:
Want don't you rebut some of the assertions of those "right-wing" journalists? Your tactic is one Chewbacca always uses: "breitbart LOL." They have more credibility than any left-wing journalist(s) who have repeatedly lied.
It's impossible to rebut an assertion that isn't based on fact. Journalists are taking science and trying to make it say what they want it to say. You act as if this is a difference of opinion amongst equals when it isn't. It's professional scientists vs journalists who don't understand what they're reading.
When I say they're not equals, I'm not knocking journalists. I'm merely saying that they're not experts in climate science, the scientists are.
If you were citing scientists refuting the work of other scientists, it would be one thing, but you're not.
Fat Hurts,
What would it take to raise a reasonable doubt in your mind as to the validity of the AGW argument? Please cite something than consensus, because you are unable to accept that the consensus argument has flaws. Cite something relating to data, please.
fisky wrote:
Fat Hurts,
What would it take to raise a reasonable doubt in your mind as to the validity of the AGW argument? Please cite something than consensus, because you are unable to accept that the consensus argument has flaws. Cite something relating to data, please.
It would take a change in scientific consensus. That's all.
To accept an AGW opinion outside of climate science would be foolish. To accept the opinion of journalists over experts would be doubly foolish.
If you want to believe all the experts are stupid or they are part of global scientific conspiracy then that's your right.
The point of the consensus argument is NOT that AGW theory is likely to be broadly correct because an overwhelming majority of experts support it. AGW theory is likely to be broadly correct because it is consistent with our understanding of radiative physics, consistent with a very large body of physical evidence, and there is no well-developed alternative theory. The point of the consensus argument is that the vast majority of people do not have the skills to make any meaningful evaluation of the theory, the evidence, and arguments surrounding such. Trust in experts is a useful heuristic because none of use can possibly understand the full body of science that we rely upon in our daily life.
This brings us to Fat Hurts' premise
"1) The scientific community is made up of stupid people." - If the majority of climate science is wrong, then one wonders why the quality of contrarian science published isn't higher quality and more compelling or why a self consistent alternative has not emerged.
"2) The scientific community is engaged in a global conspiracy." - The power of conspiracy ideation is that it allows one to discard any piece of contrary evidence that one wishes. You're welcome to this position, but one clearly can not progress science if arbitrarily discarding inconvenient evidence is in the rule set. It is a political position, not a useful scientific position unless one can provide meaningful evidence of meaningful broad scope fabrication.
"3) The scientific community is made up of smart people who know how to do their jobs and are therefore very likely to be correct." - There are some interesting social studies that probe at why people tend to reject science on particular issues while generally not being "anti-science" on non-controversial topics and a major result is that it doesn't reflect on the quality of the available science. In this case, it is easy enough to persuade some that climate science is wrong largely by appealing to their fears of the consequences of it being right.
jjjjjjj wrote:
Just a 3' rise in sea level might cost $31 billion in real estate in just three Florida counties. A 1' rise would bring $4 billion da.pdf
Any human being dumb enough to build or buy a house next to an ocean because they like the view deserves losing their money when nature destroys it.
Build it and stilt it wrote:
jjjjjjj wrote:Just a 3' rise in sea level might cost $31 billion in real estate in just three Florida counties. A 1' rise would bring $4 billion da.pdf
Any human being dumb enough to build or buy a house next to an ocean because they like the view deserves losing their money when nature destroys it.
What about those who built off the ocean who will soon be on the ocean because of rising seas?
Sally V wrote:
How about not trusting them because they have been repeatedly wrong. I have a much better track record than they. And you are so quick to label anyone "not trusting" climate scientists who have a really Sh!tty track record conspiracy theorists. So I guess those learned laypeople who questioned Ptolemy were conspiracy theorists too, when in fact they, thanks to Copernicus, were proved right.
Are you a learned layperson on this topic? Can you provide some evidence of this?
As of now the only evidence that I can see is in your posts. And anyone reading your posts and comparing them with those of Citizen Runner would conclude that Citizen Runner is vastly better informed on this topic than you are (to be fair, I note that he is also obviously better informed than I am).
So, again, if you are quite learned on this topic could you post something that would suggest that to the unbiased reader?
Let me ask you this. Global Warming, according to the "consensus," is man-made and resulting from the increased CO2 emissions in the air. Well, it that is the case, why has the global temperature barely increased at all over the last 2 decades despite China's CO2 emissions TRIPLING and India's skyrocketing as well. The CO2 emissions in the last couple of decades have gone through the roof but the global mean temperature has risen barely at all. But you Global Warming Alarmists never ask this question. And you never question the methodology of arriving at these so-called yearly temp increases (to the 100s) when there is so little data covering the oceans (70% of Earth) or deserts or Antarctica. It is crazy to call these claimed increases of 100ths of degrees when the margins of sampling error or many times the purported increase. You guys never ask questions. You just go with the narrative.
No Way wrote:
Build it and stilt it wrote:Any human being dumb enough to build or buy a house next to an ocean because they like the view deserves losing their money when nature destroys it.
What about those who built off the ocean who will soon be on the ocean because of rising seas?
If they are smart, they will sell to one of the dumb people and go build a house farther away.
Sally, why are you still posting without giving us any evidence that you know what you are talking about?
You claim to have a better track record than the experts. Where is your proof of that?
Mike wins?
Let's say my track record is 0-0. I didn't compete though that is not the case. The track record for climate scientists is like 0-3,450,008. They have missed time and time and time again. They keep modifying their projections. Read the IPCC reports - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Each successive one pretty much trashes the previous and puts up new projections. So even I never predicted anything my track record trumps theirs.
Sally V wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:Sally, why are you still posting without giving us any evidence that you know what you are talking about?
You claim to have a better track record than the experts. Where is your proof of that?
Mike wins?
Let's say my track record is 0-0. I didn't compete though that is not the case. The track record for climate scientists is like 0-3,450,008. They have missed time and time and time again. They keep modifying their projections. Read the IPCC reports - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Each successive one pretty much trashes the previous and puts up new projections. So even I never predicted anything my track record trumps theirs.
So you never predicted anything about climate change? Prediction (hypothesis) is a bedrock of science. If you never make a prediction then you aren't practicing science.
You are clearly not the Copernicus of climate change.
At least you finally admit that you don't know what you are talking about. Maybe now, you can gain some appreciation for those who do.