The entries are now up here:
No 200 for de Grasse.
The entries are now up here:
No 200 for de Grasse.
What? WHY?
Any clue why he decided he didn't want a medal in the 200 this year?
LetsRun.com wrote:
The entries are now up here:
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/news/iaaf-world-championships-beijing-2015-provisiNo 200 for de Grasse.
Odd since he tends to come on strong late in the race, I thought. Seems like a better bet in the 200.
He had better medal chances in the 200. I think hell make the 100 finals and also medal in the 4x100.
After Bolt and gatlin he is a guaranteed lock in the 200.
The 200 is suuper weak this year
I understand that he doesn't want to do too much this year. He probably knows that the 200m is his better event, but this is all preparation for next year - the Olympics. Can he handle the rounds at World's and the 4x100? (haven't looked at the schedule but assume the 200m is later in the schedule) If all goes well, then adding the 200m next year, or even dropping the 100m if that seems prudent, becomes the plan.
Makes sense to me - it's not always about the money - taking one step at a time. This kid is young, so should be around for 2020, when likely Bolt and Gatlin are done (I should hope, or the doping is ridiculous - Gatlin would be late 30's!).
de Grasse has been through a ton of races in NCAAs, Canadian Nationals, Pan Am Games.
Doing the 200 as well as the 100 and 4X100 in Beijing would mean 3 more races and increase his risk of injury. Caryl Smith-Gilbert isn't that stupid.
He probably will do the 100 and 200 in the Olympics, but his race schedule leading into that will be greatly reduced.
coach d wrote:
de Grasse has been through a ton of races in NCAAs, Canadian Nationals, Pan Am Games.
Doing the 200 as well as the 100 and 4X100 in Beijing would mean 3 more races and increase his risk of injury. Caryl Smith-Gilbert isn't that stupid.
He probably will do the 100 and 200 in the Olympics, but his race schedule leading into that will be greatly reduced.
Please. He can handle 3 events over 9 days just fine.
If he only wanted one event he should have run the 200.
No, that is not just 3 races. That is 3 races in the 200 and heats, on top of 3 100m and heats, and followed by 1-2 4X100 heats. That is 7-8 races in a short period of time. And that is in addition to doing the same thing in the Pac-12s, NCAAs, Canadian Nationals, and Pan Am Games. Of the people competing in the sprints in Beijing, only de Grasse and Bromell have done this. Denby has competed in the same championships, but only in 1 event. De Grasse has competed in more CHAMPIONSHIPS than Bolt has competed in DL events. Frankly, it's somewhat shocking that he's gotten this far without going down with injury or being totally cooked, and I think just about every real sprinter shares this opinion. I don't think that the Canadians can make the 4X100 finals without him, but I wish they would hold him out.
It's an athlete thing. Distance runners wouldn't understand.
coach d wrote:
No, that is not just 3 races. That is 3 races in the 200 and heats, on top of 3 100m and heats, and followed by 1-2 4X100 heats. That is 7-8 races in a short period of time. And that is in addition to doing the same thing in the Pac-12s, NCAAs, Canadian Nationals, and Pan Am Games. Of the people competing in the sprints in Beijing, only de Grasse and Bromell have done this. Denby has competed in the same championships, but only in 1 event. De Grasse has competed in more CHAMPIONSHIPS than Bolt has competed in DL events. Frankly, it's somewhat shocking that he's gotten this far without going down with injury or being totally cooked, and I think just about every real sprinter shares this opinion. I don't think that the Canadians can make the 4X100 finals without him, but I wish they would hold him out.
It's an athlete thing. Distance runners wouldn't understand.
If he gets injured, which is remote, he has many months to get healthy again. 5 sprint heats and 3 finals over 9 days is something many sprinters have no trouble doing. What do you think an average training week looks like?
I am a sprinter. You aren't the only sprinter on this website and aren't half as knowledgeable as you pretend to be.
coach d wrote
It's an athlete thing. Distance runners wouldn't understand.
What up coach d. You so cool coach d. You so smart coach d. You coach sprinters so you obviously know how difficult a distance race is coach d. Peace out coach d.
The difference is, you likely aren't an elite sprinter, so your body has never experienced the rigors of running 7-8 high quality races over the course of a week.
I do think the 200m was his better chance, but maybe his coach knows something we don't.
kumasi wrote:
The difference is, you likely aren't an elite sprinter, so your body has never experienced the rigors of running 7-8 high quality races over the course of a week.
Nor are you or coach d.
guy might not make the 100m finals and could probably get silver or bronze in the 200m if he's in good form.maybe the 200 will be deeper than it looks on paper, but you have to think he isn't confident about the distance or just made a poor decisionweird, but trying to give him the benefit of the doubt in his first big international competition
LetsRun.com wrote:
The entries are now up here:
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/news/iaaf-world-championships-beijing-2015-provisiNo 200 for de Grasse.
That doesn't take away from the likelihood that it would be too much on his plate considering the long season he's had. It's better to think about the bigger picture, the Olympic year. This year, already having nabbed both Pan Am titles, should be more about getting exposure on the big stage.
Look. We all know that he peaked for the NCAA's and had an amazing meet. Neither he or his coaches knew that he could run what he did. So he has been milking it the rest of the summer but knows that he will be two months past peak performance this year. His SC coaches will put him on the Olympic schedule next year and he will be ready to run then.
Have none of you ever had a peak and then declined after it? Just ran PR after PR race after race? Ridiculous that comments here to think one can do that.
Of course since some of you are 15 then "Idiot" is your middle name.
Their plan is to peak for NCAAs and WC. He actually ran 19.88 while training through the meet (Pan Ams). But that doesn't change how hard championship races are. Consider what happened to Tyson Gay for YEARS after running 9.68w in the 2008 OT and trying to run the 200m heats a couple of days later. Consider what happened to Allyson Felix in Moscow from doing 3 200 heats in 3 days in hot conditions where many athletes were dehydrated because the national team women's coach did a terrible job.
Every real sprinter knows about doing 60/100 prelims/finals or 100/200 in a one day meet. But then you do everything submax for 1-2 weeks so you can recover. But in OG/WT, you have something like:
day one 100m prelim
day two 100m semis and finals
two days later 200m heats
next 2 days 200m semis and finals
two days later 4X100 heats
next day 4X100 final
In every one of these, you face people has fast or faster than you at your best. Every race is extremely stressful and distance runners have never experienced anything like it.
I know a 100m sprinter that used to be a 10.3 guy. He blew out his quad like Jeter, and after that he was an 11-flat guy-permanently. I just hope that Andre gets through this without having something like Jeter's quad problems. Way too much racing this year already for the poor guy.
coach d wrote:
In every one of these, you face people has fast or faster than you at your best. Every race is extremely stressful and distance runners have never experienced anything like it.
You mean like every event with heats etc.?
coach d wrote:
In every one of these, you face people has fast or faster than you at your best. Every race is extremely stressful and distance runners have never experienced anything like it..
This is true in EVERY running event at the World Championship level, not just sprints. Multiple heats/semis/finals might be mentally taxing but obviously not physically taxing if they can run semis/finals on the same day hours apart. If it were truly dangerous for sprinters running semis/finals on the same day, the IAAF would not schedule them for the same day. It's actually very rare for even ONE athlete to pull up injured in any given sprint race, much less multiples which you would expect if it were that physically taxing/dangerous.