If you knew a local college runner was ineligible because he had accepted over $1000 in cash for road race winnings a few years ago (I'm assuming that would be against the rules), would you turn him in?
On the one hand I don't want to be petty and spiteful. On the other, it bothers me to stand by and watch.
Any thoughts?
No
" a few years ago" ... sounds petty and spiteful. Obviously, this guy has now offended you in some way and you are dredging up garbage from the past.
Also, it is often the case that the local "elite" guys are bitter about getting their a$$es kicked by the guys from Local U and get hacked off when they don't win a trophy.
Wish I could find races to pay $1000 in prize money
Greg,
Why do you use your real name on some occasions on the board and other times not?
Sounds petty. Let it go.
The NCAA takes such advantage of athletes. In the cases of basketball and football they are so very happy to make millions off of them. With track/cc and other non-revenue sports we suffer under unfair rules we can do nothing about all for the sake of the purity of the sport. An in spite of being a money making machine it is our sport that gets axed whenever Title 9 raises its head
If you turn him in and justify it in your mind that he broke the rules, you will always be known as the guy that turned him in and at least 1/2 the people who learn about it will think poorly of YOU. The other half of the people will be the "rules are rules" group and will think you did right. Even the people that think you did right will think you are a scumbag who did it for personal reasons.
Agreed! Don't be petty and spiteful and just let it go.
6packjack wrote:... in spite of being a money making machine it is our sport that gets axed whenever Title 9 raises its head
What sport are you in ?? T&F and XC programs spend a lot more than they bring in.
i'd say turn him in. rules are rules
its a shame that sarcasm isn't conveyed more easily on these boards, but i believe he was being sarcastic with the "money making machine" comment.
kent wrote:
6packjack wrote:... in spite of being a money making machine it is our sport that gets axed whenever Title 9 raises its headWhat sport are you in ?? T&F and XC programs spend a lot more than they bring in.
I meant the NCAA and the big sports make money. I was not implying that T and F or cc did. The intention was to say that even though millions of $$ are made off college sports, not from our sport though, we still get cut. As such it seems hypocritical of the NCAA to have rules that limit an athlete's ability to make money off their abilities when the NCAA is not about much more than making money off thoses same abilities.
Blackmail.
6packjack wrote:
As such it seems hypocritical of the NCAA to have rules that limit an athlete's ability to make money off their abilities when the NCAA is not about much more than making money off thoses same abilities.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but if you start paying NCAA athletes, what's the next step. Athletes going to the highest paying college? Then a "salary cap"? Revenue sharing ?? Unions ?? Performance enhancing drugs ?? Programs getting busted and scandals ?!?!?! (So there's no mistaking it ... ** sarcasm alert ***.)
Personally, I didn't get into running for any financial reasons. I did it because I loved it. When I'm not injured, I still enjoy it, but as I get older, that's less and less often. I hear a lot about "improving our sport". When I really think about it, it's not our sport, it's MY sport. Mainly because the running I do only matters to me. I'll still enjoy running just as much if I'm the only person on the planet doing it. I wish everyone loved to run as much as I do/did. But I was a runner long before LetsRun-dot-com came along, and I plan to be a runner if it ever goes away. If there were no track meets on TV, and no worldwide NCAA cross-country coverage (more sarcasm), I'd still think about running all the time. I wish I could make a living wage from the sport of running, but coaches salaries are pitiful. The only people who care about running are the runners themselves. The general public isn't going to shell out hundreds of dollars so the family of four can go to a track meet. There will never be big bucks in the sport. At the NCAA level, it will always have to depend on other revenue generating sports so it can survive. Some athletic directors (including the one at my alma mater) simply decide it's not worth it. That's a shame, but I still have to put food on our table, so I carry on with my job and my life. And I run as much as I can, as often as I can. And I try to smile whenever I can.
Sorry for the rant and/or off topic "reflection". I'm back now.
What are the rules for running at Pima College anyway. That is who you're talking about isn't it?
What did the guy beat your ass in one too many races? This is pathetic.
us college guys are poor, give him a break. plus, i would hardly call that stupid NCAA rule a real issue of ethics. right right, its still a rule, you will say. but come on... if your sense of ethics really get bothered so much just standing by doing nothing, i have some news for you. there are millions of children starving to death every year in the world while we are rushing around the mall buying christmas presents. now THAT is unethical. if you wanna pick battles how about you pick one that really matters.
you have got to be kidding to turn this guy in. what has he done to you? honestly, us runners should be able to take what we want in these races and keep eligibility because only for the top three or four every year is there a real money making pro league.
i like what the one guy said about the starving kids, there is your ethical dilemma fag.
maybe you should put a cock in your mouth so we cant hear your petty bitching.
ditto
DON'T turn him in. $1000 is TRIVIAL. Those rules are intened to prevent athletes from signing professional contracts; a little road race money is harmless.
not to bump
the NCAA is totally unfair. their only purpose in existance is to profit off of college football and basketball and ensure that they can do it while giving the minimum back to the athletes who make them rich.
lets say i was on a full art scholarship at berry college. i could sell my paintings, the basis for my scholarship, whenever i pleased if i was actually good enough and their were buyers for my crap. my cousin does this in HS since she is on the verge of being famous, and she has made enough money to buy a nice car just by selling her paintings.
As a collegiate runner, i am not allowed to use my best skill which i spend the most time developing for profit because it would violate the laws of amateurism the NCAA has set up for us. We all know what Prefontaine thought about amateurism. It really does bother me that i can't hop in a local road 5k as a tempo run and win 50-100 bucks so I can go to Morton's and get the 42oz. porterhouse for two.