very slippery slope wrote:
Why is there so much aluminum in these vaccines? What is the effect of this aluminum? Forget autism, what about the aluminum alzheimer link?
It's an adjuvant. Most vaccines don't trigger much of an immune response by themselves. Without something to stimulate the immune system you don't get B and T cell responses necessary to build immunity.
Enter alum, which is added to the vaccines to make them more immunogenic.
Congo boy wrote:
Here is the truth wrote:Unvaccinated kids will fight off any disease with strong immune systems and good sanitation.
Vaccinated kids have had their immune systems destroyed by the toxic injections, and are highly susceptible to attack by even simple viruses. The so called aids epidemic is only one terrible example of this, where the victim's immune systems have been completely destroyed by injections.
Yeah, that explains how AIDS managed to make it out of Africa. All those unvaccinated natives destroying it with their potent immune systems.
Strange they never had AIDS prior to CDC interventions.
Do you count "2,4,5?"As to the intelligible part of your garble...If you are saying that we should nationalize California's inane law then you must also agree with all the people you listed, babies, adults who were never vaccinated (old people), plus foreigners (either immigrants or visitors) around the rest of the population as they have just as much chance of infecting people as school children do. And once again, my child was vaccinated against polio and mmr, which was my choice. Not vaccinated against chicken pox or influenza, or hep b. Plus that other one that they didn't even discover a vaccine for until 1990. You guys realize that there are still exemptions right? So a child with weakened immunity could still roll through and kill off your entire school, according to you.
jjjjjj wrote:
I had my kids vaccinated, though I spaced out the MMRI qua five vaccines at once for the second child because the first child got a bad rash all over her, a rash she never had before or since, from the MMRI (one doctor said, no rash, but I looked it up and saw that can be a side effect and another doctor confirmed that). I spaced out that within a couple weeks. The trouble with spacing them out is that most kids who have that done never catch up and are not immunized for many preventable diseases. Now, as for the other claim, you know that immunizing is not 100% and if a certain percentage of the kids are not immunized, diseases will spread and your child might catch them as well, and even more importantly, because it applies to every child without natural immunity, babies prior to the age of normal vaccinations are immensely vulnerable to infection and serious illnesses, which they can catch from your unimmunized children. Many adults did not catch some of these diseases as children and there weren't vaccinations for them, and if they catch them as adults, particularly as old people, they can be at risk of serious illness. Think about the grandparents or your brother's or sister's new babies, for instance, in close contact with your unimmunized kids.
Where do the people of letsrun find the time to research vaccines? Everyone here runs a sub15 5k, makes 250k plus a year, has an IQ of 170, is a climate scientist, is a part time nutrition expert, and knows everything about vaccines? This place is amazing.
Bacon, lettuce, testosterone wrote:
Where do the people of letsrun find the time to research vaccines? Everyone here runs a sub15 5k, makes 250k plus a year, has an IQ of 170, is a climate scientist, is a part time nutrition expert, and knows everything about vaccines? This place is amazing.
Who needs research when I can get the facts from a random Baywatch star?
Bacon, lettuce, testosterone wrote:
Where do the people of letsrun find the time to research vaccines? Everyone here runs a sub15 5k, makes 250k plus a year, has an IQ of 170, is a climate scientist, is a part time nutrition expert, and knows everything about vaccines? This place is amazing.
Most people who are in favour or opposed to mandatory vaccination do so for political reasons not because of science. The science behind vaccination is irrelevant to most people.
Basically after 3 pages of rambling the science still supports immunizing children.
Mumpy wrote:
Basically after 3 pages of rambling the science still supports immunizing children.
And the science supports not eating refined foods or sugars. Do you agree any kid who eats refined foods or sugar should be denied an education?
The science does not support non immunized children being any greater risk to their classmates than foreign visitors at, oh let's say...Disneyland are.
Out of control wrote:
Mumpy wrote:Basically after 3 pages of rambling the science still supports immunizing children.
And the science supports not eating refined foods or sugars. Do you agree any kid who eats refined foods or sugar should be denied an education?
The science does not support non immunized children being any greater risk to their classmates than foreign visitors at, oh let's say...Disneyland are.
Er, yes the science does. As others have pointed out, vaccinations are not 100% effective. I still caught mumps despite having the MMR.
The reason everyone should be vaccinated is to create a herd immunity where nobody gets ill and no one is able to pass it on.
The reason I caught mumps in the first place was in no small part due to the panic about the MMR meaning a lot of kids didn't get vaccinated, which undermined the heard immunity and led to an outbreak which still made people like me sick.
So the reason people should be forced to get vaccinated is that vaccinations don't work. Got it.Btw- are you posting from the great beyond or are you still alive?
Le véritable wrote:
Out of control wrote:And the science supports not eating refined foods or sugars. Do you agree any kid who eats refined foods or sugar should be denied an education?
The science does not support non immunized children being any greater risk to their classmates than foreign visitors at, oh let's say...Disneyland are.
Er, yes the science does. As others have pointed out, vaccinations are not 100% effective. I still caught mumps despite having the MMR.
The reason everyone should be vaccinated is to create a herd immunity where nobody gets ill and no one is able to pass it on.
The reason I caught mumps in the first place was in no small part due to the panic about the MMR meaning a lot of kids didn't get vaccinated, which undermined the heard immunity and led to an outbreak which still made people like me sick.
Mumpy wrote:
Basically after 3 pages of rambling the science still supports immunizing children.
WRONG.
Real science supports that all vaccinations are dangerous, and have killed millions of people.
Only big pharma psuedo science supports them.
There's no miscounting in my post. I'd favor universal mandatory vaccination--babies would receive the vaccination at whatever medically appropriate age, as they do now. That universal mandatory vaccination is exactly what we have had in previous epidemics. You and your kind are being incredibly irresponsible to subject not only your own children but also others, whether babies, children, or adults with compromised immune systems, to serious diseases. These are diseases that ravaged society in the past, and are making inroads once again, thanks to you and yours.
You forgot to blame me for Ebola. Remember how that epidemic wiped us out last fall.
Oh yeah, don't forget about AIDS. Perhaps you believe homosexuals' kids should not be allowed in school either because of the risk they pose.
Meanwhile, I'll blame you for every peanut allergy death, every asthma related death, every gluten intolerant individual, and all those people who break out whenever someone wears a scented lotion.
I will also blame you for all DUI deaths unless you want to ban any kid whose parents drink alcohol. I'll blame you for every gun death unless you want firearms banned. I'll blame you for every drug overdose unless you favor mandatory drug testing at schools. I'll blame you for every case of diabetes unless you demand banning any refined foods or sugars at school.
Now add up who is responsible for more deaths, me with measles and chicken pox or you with all of the above.
You do not get to pick and choose which "sky is falling" scenarios you have panic attacks and gestapo tactics for.
The issue is not if people should vaccinate. The issue is should they be forced to. A reasonable person even if the feel strongly about vaccinations should still be against mandatory vaccination. That said it's not mandatory. You still have the option to take them out of school. Also if there is a medical exemption I'm sure someone will find a way to exploit it.
Bacon, lettuce, testosterone wrote:
The issue is not if people should vaccinate. The issue is should they be forced to. A reasonable person even if the feel strongly about vaccinations should still be against mandatory vaccination. That said it's not mandatory. You still have the option to take them out of school. Also if there is a medical exemption I'm sure someone will find a way to exploit it.
You are playing semantics with the word "mandatory" now. The right to a public education has been affirmed by the Supreme Court. So if you fail to vaccinate, you have your rights taken away? One could make the same argument that a license is not mandatory to drive, or even legal ownership of the vehicle you are driving. You can drive without a licence in a stolen car, but you will have rights taken away if you do.
No the issue is that vaccination should be made illegal and people, corporations, and governments need to be retroactively punished with fines and prison time for their crimes against humanity.
Out of control wrote:
No, YOU are overstating the rate at which resistant strains would be produced. You are somehow assuming that after thousands (maybe more) of years, there are no resistant strains and yet after a few years there will be a strain ubiquitous enough to cause an epidemic. You have to choose a side. Either those strains already exist since these diseases are ancient, or they are not likely to proliferate in the minuscule amount of time, comparatively, that has passed since we formed vaccines.
We are not talking about flu. We are taking about diseases like measles. Is there a new vaccine strain every year for that?
here's the problem wrote:No, you are overstating the rate at which resistant strains would be produced. Not every mutation produces a resistant strain.
But the preexistence of multiple strains is the reason that there is a different flu vaccination each season. There are many versions of the flu virus, and a single vaccine cannot work for all of them, so a vaccine for the likely strands is put together each year.
This has got to be a troll. Nobody is this stupid. Nobody.
Semantics wrote:
Bacon, lettuce, testosterone wrote:The issue is not if people should vaccinate. The issue is should they be forced to. A reasonable person even if the feel strongly about vaccinations should still be against mandatory vaccination. That said it's not mandatory. You still have the option to take them out of school. Also if there is a medical exemption I'm sure someone will find a way to exploit it.
You are playing semantics with the word "mandatory" now. The right to a public education has been affirmed by the Supreme Court. So if you fail to vaccinate, you have your rights taken away? One could make the same argument that a license is not mandatory to drive, or even legal ownership of the vehicle you are driving. You can drive without a licence in a stolen car, but you will have rights taken away if you do.
What you may want to do is go back and actually read my post. Specifically the part where I said they are not mandatory as that seems to be the part you missed.
Also, why do people think they have a "right" to drive a car?
Bacon, lettuce, testosterone wrote:
Also, why do people think they have a "right" to drive a car?
They let illegals drive a car without a license.
Lets all revoke our US citizenship so WE can get the right to drive a car without a license and insurance, free healthcare, and no need for our children to get mandatory vaccines at the compulsory education system.
Your missing the point. Are you willing to let your vaccinated child shed a live virus to an immune compromised child who is not able to be vaccinated? You already know that they are just as likely, if not more, to spread contagious diseases throughout the population than an unvaccinated child so why do it?
I'm glad to see more people putting vaccinations under the spotlight to see if it stands up to the rigors of science. Because, where we are today, the science is not yet finished and it may be awhile before science even gets to see the light of day if the vaxers have any say in the matter.
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