Doping wrote:
Caffeine was a banned performance-enhancing drug at the time you were using it with the sole intent of improving your times. Sounds like doping to me.
Still waiting on that list of all the times you drank coffee or soft drinks in the past 20 years.
Caffeine was banned, after all. So no espresso for you.
It's been 1 hour and you still haven't responded with the documented evidence. So we're just gonna have to assume you were cheating too.
I can't tell if people on this thread are kidding or not. They have to be, right?
Also a list of all elevations slept at for 20 years
It's simple. Caffeine was a banned substance and Wejo admitted to doping with it, not as a food, but only as a performance enhancing drug. If someone is willing to cheat in one way, I think we need him to testify under oath about other drugs he took.
DC Area Runner wrote:
I am not the OP and I don't believe you have ever cheated. I think the issue the OP has is that his threads kept getting deleted before you could respond.
For relative newcomers to the site, who have never seen Wejo's response to the meds/peds question, I was interested in the answer. I was especially curious as to why the threads were deleted.
I too have no reason to suspect Wejo, but feel openness and honesty is required if going to question others.
If feel like the question has been answered, put a link somewhere and then just let the threads die on their own.
rojo wrote:
We talked about it on our podcast yesterday. HE took NOTHING but liquid iron. Maybe an occasoinal multivitamin.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/07/track-talk-live-pre-paris-post-usa-track-and-field-discussion/Near the very end. Listen to the last 10 minutes.
Weldon took zero medications. But did he go for an EPO effect? Absolutely. He drove in his car and would sleep on a mountain two nights before his races.
Thats beyond stupid. He should have slept at normal elevation and trained on a mountain in the base phase, then weeks before a series of races slept on the mountain for at least 3 weeks. You get nothing 2 days before except tired.
Failing that its not that hard to find a negative pressure house since most are negative pressure nowadays:
http://www.pureairplus.com/nap.htmrojo wrote:
We talked about it on our podcast yesterday. HE took NOTHING but liquid iron. Maybe an occasoinal multivitamin.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/07/track-talk-live-pre-paris-post-usa-track-and-field-discussion/Near the very end. Listen to the last 10 minutes.
Weldon took zero medications. But did he go for an EPO effect? Absolutely. He drove in his car and would sleep on a mountain two nights before his races.
This is the official altitude training recommendation from USATF for the 2011 World Championships:
https://www.usatf.org/groups/HighPerformance/AthleteDevelopment/handouts/Altitude%20Training%20Recommendations%20for%20Daegu.pdfThere is absolutely NOTHING wrong with what wejo did to get a boost, but based on modern knowledge, he did it wrong and could have performed better if he did it right. In the opinion of most, the optimum time to come down from altitude is 14 days, not being on a mountain 2 days before a race.
Caffeine was NEVER banned. It was restricted for a period, and I believe it is still in the WADA monitoring program. When it was restricted, the trigger was 15 ,mcg/ml in urine, which is equivalent to 10-12 8 oz. cups of coffee in a 5 hour period (caffeine clears your system in about that time). There is a stimulant effect which results in 1-2% performance improvement from 2-6 cups of coffee or nodoz equivalent. Even when caffeine was restricted, the quantity known to work for performance improvement was totally legal. If you are doing 800/1500 these days, you should assume that everybody else is doing this because they probably are. Most research suggest that the coffee stimulant effect only works in events of 5 min or shorter, though there may be a RPE effect in longer events.
Pseudoephedrine: Why would anyone use this to cheat when Red Bull is legal?
Stimulant = Doping wrote:
It's simple. Caffeine was a banned substance and Wejo admitted to doping with it, not as a food, but only as a performance enhancing drug. If someone is willing to cheat in one way, I think we need him to testify under oath about other drugs he took.
What dosage?
Is an espresso illegal?
Like many banned chemicals doping was determined by levels in the urine not by the ounces ingested/injected.
very simple wrote:
Stimulant = Doping wrote:It's simple. Caffeine was a banned substance and Wejo admitted to doping with it, not as a food, but only as a performance enhancing drug. If someone is willing to cheat in one way, I think we need him to testify under oath about other drugs he took.
What dosage?
Is an espresso illegal?
10 of them should be. Wejo's usage isn't really performance enhancing despite what he's said. 1 Espresso doesn't really do anything physically, mentally yes, physically not really.
This is akin to a 21 year old skinny white chick sipping a beer for the first time and feeling drunk.
What letsrun needs to be concerned about is the creatine monohydrate, fish oil, whey protein peptides, and inositol hexaphosphate usage that is rampant in middle aged hobby joggers and crossfitters. Its an unfair advantage that poorer people, like Letsrun posters, don't have.
Caffeine doping based on urine levels have gotten athletes disqualified from the Olympics. Levels in the urine that can be obtained from a few cups of coffee before a race (depending on a person's size, metabolism, etc.)
Even though sporting bodies were trying to limit the use of stimulants like caffeine, Wejo apparently felt he had every right to use caffeine in a way that would enhance his performance as much as possible. It sounds like what he's claiming is that if an item is restricted and can get you kicked out of the Olympics, it's perfectly okay to use it soley for performance enhancement as long as you either don't go over the urine limits or you don't get tested much if at all.
rojo wrote:
Weldon took zero medications. But did he go for an EPO effect? Absolutely. He drove in his car and would sleep on a mountain two nights before his races.
I didn't think you were remembering that right, so I emailed JK and asked him about it. I've pasted the response here:
No, it was 2 nights spent at 9,000 to 10,000 feet but that was supposed to be about 10-12 days before a race, not 2 days before. Erythropoietin will peak between 48 and 72 hours after coming to a slightly higher than normal altitude but it won't do any good performance-wise to use this method 2 days before a race since the red cells won't be mature until 7-10 days later.
In the opinion of most, the optimum time to come down from altitude is 14 days, not being on a mountain 2 days before a race.
Asked JK about this too. Response here:
That depends on how much faster training you do at low altitude while you're living higher. If you're coming down to l/a a few times a week to do hard workouts (not merely short strides), you're getting the full neuromuscular benefit from the workouts and in that case, it's best to come down from the normal h/a living area (not from the even higher elevation used to boost red cell production) the day of a race if possible, unless jet lag is a concern. If you're doing all your workouts at h/a, you might need 2-3 weeks lower prior to a big race in order to accomplish enough faster workouts to regain your normal speed/coordination-to-effort ratio.
Doping wrote:
Caffeine doping based on urine levels have gotten athletes disqualified from the Olympics. Levels in the urine that can be obtained from a few cups of coffee before a race (depending on a person's size, metabolism, etc.)
Even though sporting bodies were trying to limit the use of stimulants like caffeine, Wejo apparently felt he had every right to use caffeine in a way that would enhance his performance as much as possible. It sounds like what he's claiming is that if an item is restricted and can get you kicked out of the Olympics, it's perfectly okay to use it soley for performance enhancement as long as you either don't go over the urine limits or you don't get tested much if at all.
Equating Wejo drinking an espresso with doping is such a strech...it is desperate. How many seconds would he gain on a 10k... 4?
Using products to alter your hormones like testosterone and your endocrine system is serious stuff.
Am espresso is not.
Stop trying it is pathetic.
Thank you for the response .
Have to ask... wrote:
Did you ever get sick and require any prescriptions for an extended period of time? Any TUE's during competition? Thanks for your answer but it still leaves the door open for prescription "abide" and it's a known fact that caffeine was on the prohibited list from 1983-2004 so at the very least you were in the gray by your own admission.
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=c3ec4cd7-c80f-4062-85d2-efaf8c26afce.pdf&urlslug=Chapter%2015%3A%20Drugs%20in%20sport%20%2F%20Doping%20control%20
Poor Leirdouchebag has been owned. How did it feel to get a log rammed up your butt?
"So please stop posting this question 15 times a day."
Wejo has no problem accusing others of drug use -- but don't ask him about it. He finds it annoying. Thank God the athletes Letsrun ambushes with drug questions don't mind.