Question for the Brojos: Were Adam and Kara doping?

But that's the thing xenon, THAT'S ALL KARA HAS ON ALBERTO. Her "bombshells" (yes, I'm using this line yet again) are more like soggy Rice Krispies. And no, it's not because she is legally bound to not discuss other details. She would have said that. So no way on that excuse. Her two big pieces of "evidence" that Salazar is doping some of his runners are:

1) He gave her some Thyroid Medication while.......she was already taking prescription thyroid medication (???) (I guess he insulted her about her weight, so, it's a big deal)

2) She said Galen said he was tired, and then 2 weeks later he broke the AR.

THOSE......(yes, minds should be exploding) are the full extent of her claims and evidence that Alberto is the track and field coaching version of Lance Armstrong.

Kara might not be a liar, but she sure sound crazy.

cheaters cheat wrote:

I believe the Gouchers and many of the elite athletes like Rupp, Hall, Kennedy, Radcliffe are worse than Tour de France level doping as they are more professional with nice professional doctors who say, it's ok I'm just treating disease, sickness, etc. All of the above have, on the record, received drugs from doctors, that raise hormone, oxygen carrying blood cells and testosterone. I don't care how you spin it with the rule book. That to me is cheating.

Don't forget Radcliffe's male pace setter (cheating) and caffeine user (formerly banned by WADA ans still banned by the NCAA):

WELDON JOHNSON first tried caffeine as a performance enhancer in 1998. He was not a coffee drinker but had heard that caffeine could make him run faster. So he went to a convenience store before a race and drank a cup of coffee.

For the first time in his life, he ran 10 kilometers in less than 30 minutes.

“I remember being really wired before the race,” he said in an e-mail message. “My body was shaking.”

From then on, he was a convert.

Mr. Johnson, a founder of LetsRun.com, would avoid caffeine, even in soft drinks, for a few weeks before he competed in a race, wanting to have the full stimulant effect.

[...]

Starting as long ago as 1978, researchers have been publishing caffeine studies. And in study after study, they concluded that caffeine actually does improve performance. In fact, some experts, like Dr. Mark Tarnopolsky of McMaster University in Canada, are just incredulous that anyone could even ask if caffeine has a performance effect.

“There is so much data on this that it’s unbelievable,” he said. “It’s just unequivocal that caffeine improves performance. It’s been shown in well-respected labs in multiple places around the world.”

The only new questions were how it exerts its effects and how little caffeine is needed to get an effect.

For many years, researchers thought the sole reason people could exercise harder and longer after using caffeine was that the compound helped muscles use fat as a fuel, sparing the glycogen stored in muscles and increasing endurance. But there were several hints that something else was going on. For example, caffeine improved performance even in short intense bursts of exercise when endurance is not an issue.

Now, Dr. Tarnopolsky and others report that caffeine increases the power output of muscles by releasing calcium that is stored in muscle. The effect can enable athletes to keep going longer or to go faster in the same length of time. Caffeine also affects the brain’s sensation of exhaustion, that feeling that it’s time to stop, you can’t go on any more. That may be one way it improves endurance, Dr. Tarnopolsky said.

The performance improvement in controlled laboratory settings can be 20 to 25 percent, Dr. Tarnopolsky said.

New York Times Calls Out wrote:

WELDON JOHNSON first tried caffeine as a performance enhancer in 1998. He was not a coffee drinker but had heard that caffeine could make him run faster. So he went to a convenience store before a race and drank a cup of coffee. .

Hell, Frank Shorter famously preferred "defizzed Coke" as his drink during marathons. Did that make HIM a cheater, too?

If anyone is getting a big performance boost from drugs, it's gotta be more than simply asthma and thyroid meds.

KMB,this is because XO screams is a freaking idiot who is basically a fangirl who has her fist in her crotch with her Rupp poster on the wall of her moms basement. I've raced her recently and has more bs than substance and likes to talk like she's an insider.

This is a good point. Just a theory but maybe it's as simple as trying to disassociate themselves from something that could be bad and now it is messier than expected. Look at it this way:- One or both of them saw the endocrinologist. - They left Salazar and then Nike.- The wSJ story on the Doctor is coming out- They know the androgel / masseuse story from rumors and the message board.So they go to USADA to disclose all they know. Others do the same - state what they know about their own med use and speculate about how others could have done worse. The Gouchers want to be clear that they did not cheat but they are not so sure what went on with the Androgel. The Gouchers have a lot to lose if NOP got busted. Kara was a star athlete of NOP. so they do the BBc interview and talk about what they know and speculate about Galen. They are trying to show that they are clean but have come to see Galen as a cheat.In terms of allegations, they are not the center of the story. The cytomel allegation is not the big cheating issue. They know nothing about Galen but they are the most famous people talking. And the only reason the story is taking off os the allegation against Galen and,implicitly Mo. The allegations have their endorsement. So they may not be wrong about any of their experiences but they and others may all be saying - 'I was clean but you better check everyone else'. That does not leave USADA with evidence. Meanwhile Salzar challenged their Cytomel story and here we are ....