It has been 20 days since the report has come out... We're starting a countup clock on the homepage

Good bye.

Rule no. 1 of PR: Time heals all wounds. They will wait until a lull between USATF trials and WCs to do their "response". I would also suspect that Alberto is wanting to trash people very badly and is fighting with lawyers on the tone, tenor and substance of the response.

A Nike boycott is a great idea, but the vast majority of the consumers of Nike products do not know Alberto Salazar from Albert Belle.

Good idea.

I was surprised Alberto didn't answer the first allegations. They weren't very serious. Even the needles and the allergy medicine could have been explained. But he must have known that something bigger was coming, so he went silent.

Same for Mo. Nobody accused him of anything. Yet he lies about when he got the news, pulls out of races, hides in France, and even hires a PR agency to publish some stupid banalities.

Seems like they were a lot more shocked by the news than most letsrunners.

Can't wait for the next episode.

As someone who's been called an apologist for Alberto, even I'm more than a little concerned about the length of time that has passed. My concern was always to consider any alternative explanations for the accusations (and for some there could be legitimate ones) and listen to Alberto's defense. That way, there is no way I'll feel like I jumped to a conclusion without all the available information.

However, at this point, Salazar and Rupp are either getting bad PR advice or are realizing they can't provide legitimate information. The window of reasonableness on the timing front seems to be closing. Guilty or innocent, it just looks like they're hiding at this point.

If I was Salazar, I would have wanted to do everything I could to get my side of the case out before USAs, so athletes, and especially Rupp, don't get thrown to the lions without any backing. Maybe, he's going to release something soon; maybe there is nothing legitimate to release. Either way, an update of some kind seems warranted.

Yeah, keep it up, you worthless POS. Everyone here knows you've hated Salazar since 1981 when he set that world record on a "short" NY course (I was there and believe me it was long enough, took me almost 4 1/2 hours). Every since you started this shitty forum you have done nothing but post blind doping accusations about anyone who's faster than you. You LIVE for it. And no level of gleeful pud-pulling speculation. Before Lance was caught. you predicted he would be. Marion Jones, same. Gatlin, same. You've never been able to play fair and just wait until athletes are actually convicted, you have to get out and start waving your skinny dicks out there like nobody's business just to sound important. To hear the idiot witch-hunters on this site tell it, drugs are almost an everyday occurrence in track and field.

Yeah, I get that a few stray cats break the rules but to focus on those examples shows just how deep your hatred of track, sports, runners, human beings and success is. Can't click on a single thread here with "ALBERTO SALAZAR" or "NOP" in the title without seeing more bullshit about drugs/doping/PEDs/etc and how you think doped runners are all using them. Get your head out of your ass for once and try to do something for the sport as a whole.

I don't click on any of your predictions/analysis/results links but I know if I did I'd see some stupid crap like "CHECK OUT THIS LIST OF RUNNING JUNK BOXES!" along with a photoshopped picture of Galen Rupp with a fat syringe jammed into his scrotum and Salazar holding the plunger.

Screw this. I'm done with you dickheads.

If none of the accusations were an issue, a quick rebuttal would have silenced the crowd and put an end to this story. Sadly, that doesn't appear to be the case.

This witch hunt hysteria is insufferable.

The BBC/ProPublica worked on that report for almost two years. I assume any type of credible response is going to take some time to put together.

Certainly it will be out before the USA meet. My gut tells me it disproves- concretely- pretty much everything the Gouchers, Magness, Fleshman, and the massueses have said.

keith Stone wrote:

Really? The only clock I see on the home page is an ad that says "Every 67 seconds gets Alzheimers"

Maybe you forgot something..

Yea, hey forgot that most of the claims are based on stupidity and they should be focusing on educating the public and people like Kara Goucher how running actually works because she seems to have no clue.

Salazar should answer for some things in the report, I think that's right and fair. That said the brojos should be equally fair and rip to shreds the mounds of stupidity that is free flowing from people against the NOP.

another (former) oregon duck wrote:

This witch hunt hysteria is insufferable.

The BBC/ProPublica worked on that report for almost two years. I assume any type of credible response is going to take some time to put together.

Certainly it will be out before the USA meet. My gut tells me it disproves- concretely- pretty much everything the Gouchers, Magness, Fleshman, and the massueses have said.

It will. Trust me.

another (former) oregon duck wrote:

This witch hunt hysteria is insufferable.

The BBC/ProPublica worked on that report for almost two years. I assume any type of credible response is going to take some time to put together.

Certainly it will be out before the USA meet. My gut tells me it disproves- concretely- pretty much everything the Gouchers, Magness, Fleshman, and the massueses have said.

I hope you are right, but at a minimum I would have thought an update would be appropriate. I understand not arguing until you've assembled everything, but from my point of view, their current approach just looks like hiding (whether or not that is what it is). We'll see if something is out before Thursday night.

UofOregonClassof1981 wrote:

It will. Trust me.

Yeah. You seem like a trustworthy person.

THE MADMAN

Have you not heard of that man who read the ProPublica Report and lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!" -- As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated? -- Thus they yelled and laughed.

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"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars -- and yet they have done it themselves.

It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but: "What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?"

They're probably waiting until the evidence stops trickling before issuing a rebuttal

They're afraid of the swift counter punch

Mrr82 wrote:

they should be focusing on educating the public and people like Kara Goucher how running actually works because she seems to have no clue.

Since you've given every indication of being an across-the-board genius here for many years, can you share your insights concerning Kara Goucher's cluelessness when it comes to how running works? The reason I ask is that I can state with a high degree of confidence that she, while perhaps not a Mensa candidate, has trained and raced for a long time at a much higher level than you can even conceive of. Being such an athlete, she would have necessarily absorbed a lot of training and racing knowledge over time, even if she didn't invent any of it.

So go ahead. Hoist yourself up by your own retard.

Precious Roy wrote:

A Nike boycott is a great idea, but the vast majority of the consumers of Nike products do not know Alberto Salazar from Albert Belle.

I agree with that but all you need is the most influential people in the sport to say they are not going to buy Nike products. You get the top high schoolers, etc. They all show up next year at NXN wearing Brooks and Nike will notice.

We're not at that stage yet, but I'm just throwing it out there.

I don't see what takes 2 weeks. The more time passes the higher expectations I have of the response. Personally if someone accused me of something I didn't do I would deny it immediately.

Keith's Tone wrote:

Every since you started this shitty forum you have done nothing but post blind doping accusations about anyone who's faster than you. You LIVE for it. And no level of gleeful pud-pulling speculation. Before Lance was caught. you predicted he would be. Marion Jones, same. Gatlin, same. You've never been able to play fair and just wait until athletes are actually convicted, you have to get out and start waving your skinny dicks out there like nobody's business just to sound important.

What are you talking about?

1) First of all, all of those people were proven to be guilty.

2) We're known for being defenders of many of the super fast super stars.

Weldon has written why he thinks Paula R is clean.

I've written about Bolt.

I don't think Weldon has ever posted a doping accusation - even in this case.

As he explained in a great post yesterday, he's kept a lot of stuff he's known about this whole NOP situation - stuff that would make Alberto look bad in the court of public opinion - quiet for years:

But you ignore Lagat's EPO test - what's the clock at on that one?

I know we all want answers, but honestly Alberto is probably working on his defense as quickly as he can. As you have probably noticed, many of the NOP athletes have said that Salazar has been absent lately and they have limited access to him, so I assume that time is being spent on his statement. If he had issued a statement prior to this point it would have just been another blanket, lawyer written piece of trash that no one cares for.

Took BBC 2 years to gather allegations, so Alberto should respond WITH EVIDENCE in less than 3 weeks. Sounds fair.