Ben is rolling this year. Takes down a sub 27 10k guy at his own game and knocks off some of the world's best road racers.
Ben is rolling this year. Takes down a sub 27 10k guy at his own game and knocks off some of the world's best road racers.
Results link?
Ben edged ahead of Sambu in the very few last meters
very impressive. that was a tough field. I don't know the weather conditions but 28:13 is a fast time on that course with the big Harlem Hills, and maybe it was warmer today than last week when weather was perfect in New York. now he needs to get some world qualifiers.
jjjjj wrote:
very impressive. that was a tough field. I don't know the weather conditions but 28:13 is a fast time on that course with the big Harlem Hills, and maybe it was warmer today than last week when weather was perfect in New York. now he needs to get some world qualifiers.
Sambu said in his postrace interview that they started off a little slow.
Great race for True though, very exciting finish. Not bad commentary either from Fenton and Ritz.
jjjjj wrote:
very impressive. that was a tough field. I don't know the weather conditions but 28:13 is a fast time on that course with the big Harlem Hills, and maybe it was warmer today than last week when weather was perfect in New York. now he needs to get some world qualifiers.
It was much more humid this weekend than last weekend, and probably warmer too. I was out running in the part at the same time as the race, and it was probably approaching 75, heat index approaching 80.
beer can wrote:
Results link?
Top 10 results plus a post-race interview with True appear here:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/05/2015-uae-healthy-kidney-results-ben-true-edges-stephen-sambu-joyce-chepkirui-edges-gladys-cherono/True and Sambu ran 28:13. On the women's side, Joyce Chepkirui edged Gladys Cherono as both ran 32:33.
beer can wrote:
Results link?
Top 10 results plus a post-race interview with True appear here:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/05/2015-uae-healthy-kidney-results-ben-true-edges-stephen-sambu-joyce-chepkirui-edges-gladys-cherono/True and Sambu ran 28:13. On the women's side, Joyce Chepkirui edged Gladys Cherono as both ran 32:33.
This is the problem with the 10k - if he runs the 10k at USA s he may not get a wc qualifier.
according to track and field news, he already has his 10k qualifier (was that at Stanford this year?):
Ben True—27:43.79
Also this kind of victory debunks the theory that because guys like Mutai and Kipsang can run 2:03 for the marathon, therefore they must be 26:20 or better 10k runners. They are absolutely incredible at running something like 29:30 10k'sx4+2.195k: that does not mean they are comfortable running 4:14 milesx6.2137.
Agip wrote:
This is the problem with the 10k - if he runs the 10k at USA s he may not get a wc qualifier.
He already ran the World Qualifier at Payton Jordan, he's fine
I don't think anyone claims that the top marathon guys could run a fast 10K off marathon training. The likes of Mutai and Kipsang are CAPABLE, but they would need a block of 10K-specific training.
jjjjjj wrote:
according to track and field news, he already has his 10k qualifier (was that at Stanford this year?):
Ben True—27:43.79
Also this kind of victory debunks the theory that because guys like Mutai and Kipsang can run 2:03 for the marathon, therefore they must be 26:20 or better 10k runners. They are absolutely incredible at running something like 29:30 10k'sx4+2.195k: that does not mean they are comfortable running 4:14 milesx6.2137.
Ventard begs to differ.
jbfjebjbv wrote:
I don't think anyone claims that the top marathon guys could run a fast 10K off marathon training. The likes of Mutai and Kipsang are CAPABLE, but they would need a block of 10K-specific training.
jjjjjj wrote:according to track and field news, he already has his 10k qualifier (was that at Stanford this year?):
Ben True—27:43.79
Also this kind of victory debunks the theory that because guys like Mutai and Kipsang can run 2:03 for the marathon, therefore they must be 26:20 or better 10k runners. They are absolutely incredible at running something like 29:30 10k'sx4+2.195k: that does not mean they are comfortable running 4:14 milesx6.2137.
Lol none of the kenyans we're trying. There's a thing called appearance money which allows them to get paid to get in a tempo run.
jbfjebjbv wrote:
I don't think anyone claims that the top marathon guys could run a fast 10K off marathon training. The likes of Mutai and Kipsang are CAPABLE, but they would need a block of 10K-specific training.
jjjjjj wrote:according to track and field news, he already has his 10k qualifier (was that at Stanford this year?):
Ben True—27:43.79
Also this kind of victory debunks the theory that because guys like Mutai and Kipsang can run 2:03 for the marathon, therefore they must be 26:20 or better 10k runners. They are absolutely incredible at running something like 29:30 10k'sx4+2.195k: that does not mean they are comfortable running 4:14 milesx6.2137.
With $25,000 for 1st place and $10,000 for second I can guarantee you that Sambu was trying. He was trying to shoulder True all the way to the finish line.
I raced it today -- the conditions were tough so this time was impressive.
The race unfortunately didn't start until 9am and it probably averaged 75 degrees with 85%+ humidity. It was one of those days where I was sweating at the start line waiting for the gun to go off.
I'm no where near as fast as these guys but I run the CP loop a lot and my pace today for a pretty hard effort was about the same as what I did a tempo run in a couple weeks ago in low 60's weather. My heart rate on tempo run was around 86% of max and on this run averaged 92% of max.
Interesting point you've brought up, Agip. In last night's 10k at Pre one of the announcers spoke about how Kamworor is a very strong cross country runner which doesn't translate into a fast 10k on the track. The muscles work a little differently. Mo is optimized for the track. Right now, Kamworor isn't. I think the same for Ben True, he is stronger in XC and on the roads than on the track. Ben's Stanford performance was excellent, but he did get outkicked easily. Will be interesting to see how Ben does on the track at Nationals. I wish him the best, he seems like a good man.
Then what about his 13:02 last year outkicking Mead?
A 12k on grass translating to a 10k on the track doesn't have a direct proportion when talking about different surfaces in general
Agreed, the track is different wrote:
In last night's 10k at Pre one of the announcers spoke about how Kamworor is a very strong cross country runner which doesn't translate into a fast 10k on the track. The muscles work a little differently. Mo is optimized for the track. Right now, Kamworor isn't.
... I think the same for Ben True, he is stronger in XC and on the roads than on the track. ....
that announcer is a tard. you want to know who else was a great xc runner? kenny bekele. he did alright on the track.
and how do you know how kamworor prepared for this race or world xc? maybe he just does track workouts. maybe not. but we don't know, so let's not make assumptions about his situation.
and ben true does well at xc and road races because the top 5 americans don't show up.
True is clearly in the top 5 Americans on the track, and arguably the best in road racing. For 5k/10k its Rupp, Lagat, Hill, Derrick and True. Rupp, Hill and Lagat basically don't run on the roads, and True took down Derrick last time they went head to head at Gate River Run. Beating Sambu - arguably the worlds best road racer in 2014 - at the Boston 5k and at UAE 10k is very impressive.
At 5k/10k Rupp is pretty clearly the best in the U.S., Legat is still tough at 5k but his age will catch up, then a slight advantage to True at the 5k over Hill and Derrick with his 13:02 last year, then a toss up between True and Derrick at the 10 k.
True is therefore top 3 in the US in both track 5k/10k and #1 U.S on road.