What happened Matt tegenkamp???

I think Tegenkamp has a spring marathon coming up and this was a training run more than anything else.

I could be wrong though.

He was doing well for about ten miles. His calf seized up and he jogged in

Other options wrote:

1:11 at New York half??? Molly huddle beats him by 3 minutes. Is he done?? I thought those guys did tempos faster than that. Practically the pace they do their aerobic runs.

Under normal circumstances, some bit of worry is called for, especially if we take it with the morning news of Hall's DNF. However, I look a this extremely optimistically. I had been under the prior impression that the entire old Schumacher stable--Nelson, Solinsky, Bairu and Tegenkamp, were basically retired. But Tegenkamp's showing at the 2012 USA T&F Oly trials in the 10k, his marathon debut and the thrust of his performance until the "fall-off" suggest quite the opposite. Skepticism about insignificant cramping--maybe a fluke electrolyte issue--is not absurd, nor is question about fitness. But I think he's heading in the right and extremely promising direction, given his age, past injury troubles and the fate of his old schoolmate professional peers.

Electrolytes don't cause cramps, you clown.

Zev wrote:

I think Tegenkamp has a spring marathon coming up and this was a training run more than anything else.

I could be wrong though.

Why would Teg need a 1:11 13 mile training run? This shouldn't even be marathon pace for him. If he hadn't planned on racing a half marathon, it would have made more since to race Gate River or stay at home.

Ok so he had a cramp and jogged it in. I guess that's fair and makes sense. Now I have another serious question. Why would he finish with that time? Did he have an appearance fee in which he had to finish? I feel like in today's world it's better to have a dnf next to your name than a terrible time? Maybe not though I dont know. How do sponsors look at it?

Well, he had run into downtown Manhattan, probably about 7 miles from his hotel as the crow flies. Has to get to the finish to get a ride back

Well, some people just don't like to DNF - Matt may be one of them; I don't recall him not finishing races

asdfsfadsfds wrote:

Electrolytes don't cause cramps, you clown.

Electrolyte dynamics and balance in the body is profoundly important for health, nerves, muscle tissue activation, etc. What are you talking about? Resorting to insults, of course. Why stop there? Go ahead and voice your full, irrational rage about "x" runner and "x" poster

jama wrote:

Well, some people just don't like to DNF - Matt may be one of them; I don't recall him not finishing races

To "jog it in" on a calf that has cramped up, risking a muscle tear, would be an extremely unwise thing to do, and I'd be shocked if a pro like him would do that.

He Was Doing wrote:

He was doing well for about ten miles. His calf seized up and he jogged in

Correct. And Boston prep will continue.

Kim_Putnam_Eagan wrote:

asdfsfadsfds wrote:

Electrolytes don't cause cramps, you clown.

Electrolyte dynamics and balance in the body is profoundly important for health, nerves, muscle tissue activation, etc. What are you talking about? Resorting to insults, of course. Why stop there? Go ahead and voice your full, irrational rage about "x" runner and "x" poster

While what you said is true, there is still controversy about what actually causes cramps.

One article here suggests that running at faster speeds is associated with risk of cramps, but not serum sodium levels (just one article, of course).

This guy in particular does not like the electrolyte hypothesis of cramping.

Ok so we all agree he got a cramp, regardless what caused it. Hydration and fueling is not really relevant anyways at his level as you don't really need anything for an hour of running. Hopefully his marathon goes better and he doesn't have a similar blow up. That would be equivalent to about a 2:32. That's what Scott Bauhs just ran in his debut marathon in LA. Nice to say I'm faster than these pros right now!

Paul Bunyan wrote:

Kim_Putnam_Eagan wrote:

Electrolyte dynamics and balance in the body is profoundly important for health, nerves, muscle tissue activation, etc. What are you talking about? Resorting to insults, of course. Why stop there? Go ahead and voice your full, irrational rage about "x" runner and "x" poster

While what you said is true, there is still controversy about what actually causes cramps.

One article here suggests that running at faster speeds is associated with risk of cramps, but not serum sodium levels (just one article, of course).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21148567

This guy in particular does not like the electrolyte hypothesis of cramping.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981039

You guys are missing the G-d d-mn point of my original post and demonstrating a lack of reading comprehension.

"Skepticism about insignificant cramping--maybe a fluke electrolyte issue--is not absurd, nor is question about fitness"

translation:

Tegenkamp claims it was a cramp, aka a fluke not representative of serious fitness problems... maybe, according to him, a fluid intake problem, an electrolyte problem.

I (look above) said, skepticism about this is reasonable, as would be the belief that Tegenkamp does have some training and fitness issues.

But I contextualized it: I think indeed he went out too fast, but a good half marathon performance is still within reach. The training issues can be fixed, medium-term. His marathon debut is good, he has great past fitness, he made the Olympic team in the 10k (2nd best in the country! where's everybody else?) in 2012. His former teammate professionals are all basically retired until further proof.

When's the last time Teg ran a good race? 2:12 at Chicago wasn't exactly poor, but his transition to the roads hasn't been graceful.

Has nothing to do with our reading comprehension. You made a post talking about the importance of electrolytes and some one provided evidence possibly suggesting that your idea is wrong. What you said in another post is irrelevant.

The problem here is you just can't admit when you are wrong.

Eric Jenkins is Matt Tegenkamp 2.0

That makes 0 sense? What is one example of how Jenkins is like Tegenkamp other than the fact that they are both distance runners?

jenkinskamp wrote:

Eric Jenkins is Matt Tegenkamp 2.0

Westside wrote:

That makes 0 sense? What is one example of how Jenkins is like Tegenkamp other than the fact that they are both distance runners?

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