Loot wrote:
So what species morphed to give you your shiit for brains?
The same one that morphed to make you.
Loot wrote:
So what species morphed to give you your shiit for brains?
The same one that morphed to make you.
No one morph to make me, shitbrain. So answer my question. Was your father a chimp?
Loot wrote:
SMH, Good gawd, why do you people wish to remain so stupid, when there is another option?
There is NO such process in which species morph into other species
There is NO unicellular organism that converts to a multi-cellular organism
There is NO DNA code that has ever, or will ever, re-sequence into another DNA code (another organism/species)
There is NOT one single "transitional" fossil (and in-between creature) on the face of this Earth
No, this piece of jaw doesn't prove that species morphed into other species. Claiming it does only proves that you Darwinists are RETARDED
To prove evolution to be true it would need to be an function of biology that takes place every second of every day, just like all functions of biology take place every second of every day. Instead this crock of evolution has never taken place ONCE.
"There is no such thing as evolution." ~ Albert Einstein
Seriously, you live just once, why go through your life being a retard?
Albert Einstein quote in more complete context:
"Still there are moments when one feels free from one’s own identification with human limitations and inadequacies. At such moments, one imagines that one stands on some spot of a small planet, gazing in amazement at the cold yet profoundly moving beauty of the eternal, the unfathomable: life and death flow into one, and there is neither evolution nor destiny; only being."
He was not in any way discussing the theory of evolution as it pertains to this thread. As such, there are only two possibilities:
1) You are incredibly ignorant
2) You are fundamentally a liar
Neither would surprise me.
Loot wrote:
No one morph to make me, shitbrain. So answer my question. Was your father a chimp?
So you're saying it IS possible. Congrats.
Fat hurts wrote:
Obvious Man wrote:It follows that every single life form on earth is just as 'special' as you are. Every paramecium. Every e. coli bacterium. Every single one just as 'special' in God's creation.
1) What then does 'special' mean?
2) Are you even capable of believing the unavoidable implications regarding evolution and your own significance vis-a-vis e. coli?
I await your brilliance.
I understood your argument the first time. No point in repeating it.
Mankind is special. We are children of God. To put it Biblically, we are "Created in God's image". That is, there is something of the divine in each one of us. Most call this the soul.
So at what point in time did humans become humans? When were we imbued with a soul? Perhaps it happened as God created Adam from the dust. Maybe it was somewhere along the line of evolution. Maybe it was before creation itself.
Just as you can't quantify love and put it into an equation, neither can you talk about a soul being constrained by time, which your argument presupposes. Therefore, your argument makes the wrong assumptions.
To argue whether or not evolution can coexist with classical theology, you must pose your arguments in a theological context.
Seriously? That is what passes for logic in your universe?
So, one dude had no "soul" but then his kid did? Sorry, but no thinking human being could take such an idea seriously.
My argument makes no presupposition of a "soul being constrained by time". Nice try though. Vacuous, but a worthy failed effort.
So, Adam was created out of dust? But evolution is how mankind came to be? Ummm...I don't even know where to start with that one. Surely you cannot be serious.
Sorry, but your arguments do not even rise to the level of dull. Indeed, as Pauli would undoubtedly say, they are not even wrong. Surely you can do better than that.
christian scientist wrote:
This is a lame argument that was well-rebutted. Please come up with something new and don't repeat the same thing over and over. Mankind was the purpose of creation. As already stated, scripture makes it clear mankind was created in God's image. Christ came to redeem mankind from their sins, not apes, amoeba, or any other species. If we share evolutionary ties with the rest of God's creations, that does not mean He came to redeem amoebas as well, as your argument suggests. Redemption implies the capacity to commit sin, which implies the ability to choose right and wrong, which requires higher thought processes, which amoeba obviously do not have. If you don't understand this, then you are making no effort to "really think about things" from any other viewpoint than your own.
Really? So mankind was created outside of the evolutionary process? In this case you do not believe in evolution.
Or mankind was created just like all other life forms but one dude who had no ability to "sin" suddenly begot a dude who had this "sin ability". In this case you must be trying awfully hard to keep yourself from busting out laughing as you state it.
Either way, sad.
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
The ability to choose right and wrong has been disproven by neuroscience. The complex human is as deterministic as the simple amoeba.
Oh so my ability to think through moral dilemmas is the same as an amoeba's environmental stimulus response. How could I have been so ignorant?
rational versus irrational wrote:
No. Non-religious people don't know how it started so they explore possibilities. They don't just make up a story and then cover their ears.
Possibilities like the involvement of a higher power? Or do you cover your ears to that?
ashes to dust wrote:
christian scientist wrote:This is a lame argument that was well-rebutted. Please come up with something new and don't repeat the same thing over and over. Mankind was the purpose of creation. As already stated, scripture makes it clear mankind was created in God's image. Christ came to redeem mankind from their sins, not apes, amoeba, or any other species. If we share evolutionary ties with the rest of God's creations, that does not mean He came to redeem amoebas as well, as your argument suggests. Redemption implies the capacity to commit sin, which implies the ability to choose right and wrong, which requires higher thought processes, which amoeba obviously do not have. If you don't understand this, then you are making no effort to "really think about things" from any other viewpoint than your own.
Speaking of repeating over and over.
Muhhamad loves you.
Good one.
christian scientist wrote:
rational versus irrational wrote:No. Non-religious people don't know how it started so they explore possibilities. They don't just make up a story and then cover their ears.
Possibilities like the involvement of a higher power? Or do you cover your ears to that?
No. I kept them open for a long time and didn't hear a thing nor did I see even a hint of intervention towards those who were constantly asking for it.
Unless maybe God is dyslexic or likes to use reverse prayer answering.
Obvious Man wrote:
Really? So mankind was created outside of the evolutionary process? In this case you do not believe in evolution.
Ummm, what? You're going around in circles, man.
Or mankind was created just like all other life forms but one dude who had no ability to "sin" suddenly begot a dude who had this "sin ability". In this case you must be trying awfully hard to keep yourself from busting out laughing as you state it.
Either way, sad.
Deeper theology really isn't the point here, and I don't think you really want to talk about it. My point is simply that evolution and a belief in a higher power can coexist, and you have failed to bring anything new to the table in that discussion.
rational versus irrational wrote:
christian scientist wrote:Possibilities like the involvement of a higher power? Or do you cover your ears to that?
No. I kept them open for a long time and didn't hear a thing nor did I see even a hint of intervention towards those who were constantly asking for it.
Unless maybe God is dyslexic or likes to use reverse prayer answering.
What kind of intervention? I can understand why frustration would exist towards a God who professes to be all powerful yet, for the most part, allows events to unfold naturally. It is my belief that God's purpose is not to take away difficulty and pain from our lives, but to help us through it, and in so doing help us understand who He is and to help us become like Him. He is often called the Redeemer because He has the power not only to forgive our sins, but the power to change our hearts. He taught in the book of James, Ch 1 vs 5, that if "any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God who giveth to all men liberally."
vs 6 states "but let him ask in faith, nothing wavering." If you want to know if God exists, He promises that He will give you that knowledge if you ask Him in prayer. I spent a lot of time in prayer trying to find out for myself, and I believe He answered. I believe He will answer anyone who wants to know, who "asks in faith," which means to be willing to commit to Him when you receive that knowledge.
It is taught in Galations that the Holy Spirit feels like "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith..." and when I received my answer, it was full of those feelings. It has been reconfirmed many times since. I believe in God and am grateful for the guidance and direction that this belief gives to me. I would wish the sweetness of that belief on everyone.
You just went all freaky on us there.
christian scientist wrote:
Obvious Man wrote:Really? So mankind was created outside of the evolutionary process? In this case you do not believe in evolution.
Ummm, what? You're going around in circles, man.
Or mankind was created just like all other life forms but one dude who had no ability to "sin" suddenly begot a dude who had this "sin ability". In this case you must be trying awfully hard to keep yourself from busting out laughing as you state it.
Either way, sad.
Deeper theology really isn't the point here, and I don't think you really want to talk about it. My point is simply that evolution and a belief in a higher power can coexist, and you have failed to bring anything new to the table in that discussion.
You have addressed nothing. Absolutely nothing with your post.
Here is what was said:
christian scientist wrote:
This is a lame argument that was well-rebutted. Please come up with something new and don't repeat the same thing over and over. Mankind was the purpose of creation. As already stated, scripture makes it clear mankind was created in God's image. Christ came to redeem mankind from their sins, not apes, amoeba, or any other species. If we share evolutionary ties with the rest of God's creations, that does not mean He came to redeem amoebas as well, as your argument suggests. Redemption implies the capacity to commit sin, which implies the ability to choose right and wrong, which requires higher thought processes, which amoeba obviously do not have. If you don't understand this, then you are making no effort to "really think about things" from any other viewpoint than your own.
Really? So mankind was created outside of the evolutionary process? In this case you do not believe in evolution.
Or mankind was created just like all other life forms but one dude who had no ability to "sin" suddenly begot a dude who had this "sin ability". In this case you must be trying awfully hard to keep yourself from busting out laughing as you state it.
Either way, sad.
I mentioned two possibilities:
1) You do not believe in evolution. (though you claimed elsewhere that you did)
or
2) Mankind was the result of the evolutionary process (well, one out of many results, including monarch butterflies, amoeba...). In this case for your "logic" to hold it must be true that "one dude who had no ability to 'sin' suddenly begot a dude who had this 'sin ability'". Otherwise, since you have this 'sin ability' then so does your dad. And his dad...all the way back to the very first life form as well as all progeny. That is, it must include all life on earth without this miracle step (dad - no sin ability, son - with sin ability).
Does this really need to be spelled out in greater detail for you? Because there is no other way. Are you so dense as to not see this immediately? Or are you just playing dumb?
Seriously dude, which is it?
The Poes are strong in this thread...
Anyone who's interested in whether the theory of evolution has any predictive value should look up the discovery of Tiktaalik. This may be helpful:
http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/searching4Tik.html
In any case, as has already been pointed out above,
a) evolution deals with the diversification of life, not its origin (nice trolling there), and
b) no matter how the universe, Earth, life on Earth, or mankind began, and regardless of when--doesn't matter whether you think those things took place thousands, millions, or billions of years ago--THAT WAS THEN, and those origins are no evidence for (or against, by the way!) the existence of a "deity" that operates in the universe now. That last proposition could only be established by current evidence for it, and events that occurred BITD don't qualify.
Darwinism is a mental retardation. There is no process in which a species morphs into another species.
Loot wrote:
Darwinism is a mental retardation. There is no process in which a species morphs into another species.
Ah, the established liar rears his ugly head once again.
"Still there are moments when one feels free from one’s own identification with human limitations and inadequacies. At such moments, one imagines that one stands on some spot of a small planet, gazing in amazement at the cold yet profoundly moving beauty of the eternal, the unfathomable: life and death flow into one, and there is neither evolution nor destiny; only being."
- Albert Einstein
"There is no such thing as evolution"
- 'Albert Einstein' (according to Loot the Liar)
Loot wrote:
Darwinism is a mental retardation. There is no process in which a species morphs into another species.
There is no process by which a deity springs out of thin air and starts messing with things.
Remarkably the cave paintings of Lascaux are older than God. Explain that.