Reactions to Justice Dep't study of Ferguson

Bitter, aren't you.

What's wrong, jealous your girlfriend dumped you?

Look at these kids:

http://www.courant.com/community/middletown/hc-wesleyan-molly-andrew-olson-0304-20150303-story.html

Future business leaders of America.

If the people in question were Tyrone and DeWayne and they lived in the projects not far from the campus, they would be well on their way to having criminal records that could not be easily expunged, not being able to vote, hold a job, receive financial aid, government benefits of any sort, etc. And people would be talking about the rampant drug problem among those people. With these 'kids' (as opposed to thugs), the feeling is that kids will be kids and experimentation is what the college years is all about, and that's fine and dandy. You think for these kids this incident will be across they bear for the rest of their lives that makes it difficult to lead a normal life. The rules are not the same for all the players in the game. And, not surprisingly, the people at the front of the race all want to think that when the gun went off they were shoulder to shoulder with everyone else. In fact, they were part of the elites or right behind them, and they had already hit mile one when the rest of the 'competitors' were just passing the starting point.

szaxc wrote:

Bitter, aren't you.

What's wrong, jealous your girlfriend dumped you?

Bitter, no. Fed up of white cops stopping me for silly stuff like your air freshner is too big and it obscures your view as you drive or being stopped on the campus where I study, yes. Tired of hearing stories from people about how they get thrown on cars and frisked while in town to present at conferences . Tired of dealing with people who have no idea how much of the country lives like this and think it's just stuff people make up for fun or that it's really not that bad. It'll hit home for you sooner or later. Changing demographics in this country make it inevitable. You can report back what it feels like when your family member is on the receiving end.

Dial it up wrote:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf#disablemobile

Wow, stunning. I wonder who is doing the arresting, the charging, the prosecuting, the judging, the sentencing, constructing the prisons, working in the prisons, profiting from the prisons, etc. Who would have thought?

dkebrother wrote:

report back what it feels like when your family member is on the receiving end.

And you can report back when you quit acting like a-holes during an interaction with the police.

You'd be surprised how it works.

But until then, fight the power.............dude.

Dial it up,

I know from our other discussions that you are smart enough to appreciate the chicken and chicken-egg dilemma with these statistics especially when coupled with something like that Ferguson report.

If African-Americans weren't unjustly targeted, would they commit less crime? Or if African-Americans didn't commit so much crime, would they be unjustly targeted?

szaxc wrote:

dkebrother wrote:

report back what it feels like when your family member is on the receiving end.

And you can report back when you quit acting like a-holes during an interaction with the police.

You'd be surprised how it works.

But until then, fight the power.............dude.

Returning home to my dorm on campus is acting an a-hole?

Driving my car with a large air freshner is acting like an a-hole?

A PhD visiting town walking down the street while sightseeing in town the night before he presents at a conference is actin like an a-hole?

LOL. Something tells me no report I could give you would make you believe every black person in this country doesn't have it coming to them the second they wake up in the morning.

exthrower wrote:

Blacks have a far higher crime rate than any group in America....No mystery here...Cops are doing their jobs in a hostile environment and should probably receive combat pay..

The average police officer in New York City retires at 45 and receives 50% of his annual salary at retirement for the rest of his life.

Cushy!

[quote]italosal wrote:

Driving my car with a large air freshner is acting like an a-hole?

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Why does your car stink?

That's it, omit as much as you can.

This is why I'm hoping body cameras will become mandatory for all police. Everyone thinks it will out the cops and I'm sure in some instances it will, but I suspect more often than not "I was just walking down the street" will be seen in quite a different light,

Your attitude is like a cancer on a message board, I can only imagine what it is when you are in any conversation you feel you aren't in control of.

Something we agree on! Black people would love for police to wear cmareas and leave them running. That way white people can finally get some sense of what is happening out there on a daily basis - even if they then come up with illogical rationalizations to explain away what the cameras show them.

For now, just in Ferguson, why can't they just have an all Black P.D.? All problems solved and Ferguson can move on and up. I know all you white liberal men will say it does not solve the big problem. So why don't all of you look at becoming a white police officer and go out there and show other white officers how things need to be done. Instead of posting your discontent for white officers do something about it. Put on the uniform and go do it!

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They are being stopped because white cops are bullies, so they prey upon people who can not afford to lawyer up and get their trumped-up charges dismissed or reduced. [/quote]

If they can't afford an attorney one will be appointed. As if you've never heard that. The percentages (per capita) are actually lower than the rest of the country. I think the rest of the country can learn something from the Ferguson police department. Statistically they are arresting blacks at a much lower rate than anyone else. I love it when someone claims that Math is racist.

Miranda be like.... wrote:

If they can't afford an attorney one will be appointed. As if you've never heard that. The percentages (per capita) are actually lower than the rest of the country. I think the rest of the country can learn something from the Ferguson police department. Statistically they are arresting blacks at a much lower rate than anyone else. I love it when someone claims that Math is racist.

You obviously aren't familiar with public defender's caseload.

You also obviously didn't read the study either. The institutional racism extended into the court system and, statistically, they weren't focused on likely criminals--they were focused on race.

Mundus Vult wrote:

Dial it up,

I know from our other discussions that you are smart enough to appreciate the chicken and chicken-egg dilemma with these statistics especially when coupled with something like that Ferguson report.

If African-Americans weren't unjustly targeted, would they commit less crime? Or if African-Americans didn't commit so much crime, would they be unjustly targeted?

I honestly believe it is the latter. Of course I'll be pegged that way on an anonymous message board, but its not like I am anti-black at all. My issue is that the statistics overwhelmingly show a trend and then people want to ignore that trend because otherwise "you are being racist." Numbers aren't racist. I believe this trend causes increased suspicion, fear, and targeting. I do believe some arrests and attention are unfair. However, those unfair instances DO NOT make up the statistics. It isnt a big conspiracy.

obvious thought wrote:

You just look at statistics like this and think there is a problem. Maybe blacks are more likely to be searched because they don't comply during the traffic stops? We have all seen how angry they get over the being the subject of anything to do with the police. When stopped, police don't automatically make you get out of the car. You either have to be belligerent or they have to have a suspicion of contraband or intoxication.

You are: a.) White and b.) not a criminal defense attorney.

dial it up wrote:

Numbers aren't racist. I believe this trend causes increased suspicion, fear, and targeting. I do believe some arrests and attention are unfair. However, those unfair instances DO NOT make up the statistics. It isnt a big conspiracy.

I would really like to believe this but when I read things like the Ferguson report, I think the world just wants to be deceived. Mundus Vult Decipi.

Good point. Now what if they ran a study comparing the percentage of males under 25 stopped versus females over 50. Would people start complaining that the police department is targeting and is biased against young males and favor older females?