My Fastest 5K Ever & LAS&F Invitational

not to bicker, but that time is fairly slow for a 5k (though the course is honestly not that fast), especially as we dogged it the last mile. btw, three of the top 5 were comp entries.

Nice job by the old men, danny and socalpete had a nice little battle, i sure hope i run that fast when i'm "over the hill".

thanks to all who came out to race.

CH.

CH, No comps is correct, Nike Paid fot the 3 you refer to.

"Not to bicker, but that time is fairly slow for 5K""(though the course is honestly not that fast),especially as we dogged it the last mile" mile one 4:40- 4:21= 9:01 2 miles, so you dogged it in at about 4:58, I never said the course was fast, I said it was flat, never said the race would go under 14:00 but I did say we would have fast runners, the slow part of the course was done by choice not by the course. "Not to bicker" I call it arrogant, may be when you are over the hill you will have a better view on this race.

always nice to see the race winner and director taking jabs at each other... should be great for next year!!!

Whoa, everyone!

I'm sure Christian wasn't dis'ing the race. He was simply pointing out that he could have run faster if the need had arisen (this is what we runners do - we want everyone who reads a time we think is "slow" to know that we could have run faster). And his comment about the course not being really fast was simply to inform his competitive peers--should they post a faster time on another course--that it doesn't mean he couldn't have dropped another 10 or 20 seconds on a totally flat course.

Christian is a good guy.

The race director is a good guy.

And, from my perspective, it was a great race!!! First time I've run a 5K with only L.A./So Cal guys (or mostly) that saw 15 guys under 15 minutes (at least on a certified course). Plus, there was a great breakfast buffet afterwards.

Seriously, I talked to a lot of guys after the race. We all loved it. We'll all be back next year!!!

The 2 mile split was blatently off. We did not run 4:20 for the second mile. The pace was probably the same as the first mile. So we'd be looking at: 4:40-4:40-4:40. I think when he says he dogged the thied mile, he doesn't mean it was easy, he just didn't hammer away at it and accelerate. Usually, in a road race, the last mile will go 10 sec or so faster than the other ones. He was not being arrogant.

Thanks Pete for the kind words. CH I must have missed what you were trying to say. Peace! hope to see you next year, & I,m not the race director.

boy, go out of town and look what i get to come back to on letsrun. fun!

Byrle, no offense intended, danny and co (which i assume included you?) did a great job. I was simply assuming that the course was going to be a pancake where we could go 14flat, as simon and i are in that kind of fitness right now.

actual splits were: 4:40 (which was probably 5sec long), 4:25 (which was probably 5sec short), and 5:20 for the last 1782m (about 4:50-55).

pete is right, great depth for a "local" race, though anyone is welcome to come out next year. there were plenty of great prizes kindly donated by Evolution Audio in Agoura Hills so come out and give it a go next Nov.

Cheers, CH.

Hey Christian - A training partner of mine, Kevin Koeper, is interested in running for your club. He took 4th at Mt. SAC on Saturday (14:52) and is incredibly strong at x-country (would make a great addition for Club Nationals). Who should he talk to? How should he go about talking to them? Thanks! ... Oh, and how'd you do this weekend?

Christian, As I said I missed you're point in the 1st post you did,with Petes answer and now this post you did I feel better and I,m sorry for my choice of words, look forward to having you all back next year and more. Thanks, Byrle

Is Kevin a team player? I've heard through the grapevine that he can have an attitude problem. Also, it's a little late to join for club nationals. Just wanted to throw that out there, since it is a TEAM...i.e. needs TEAM ATMOSPHERE.

The grapevine is notoriously unreliable, and this case is no different. I helped coach Kevin in high school, followed him at NAU for his college career (Coach Mann has nothing but great things to say about him, and even invited Kevin to help assistant coach and train with the team post-college), and now I'm training with him again - and I can't think of a single negative aspect he'd bring any team. He thrives in a team setting (always has), and gets energy and drive from training/racing with an equally talented and motivated group of runners.

I believe you're right about Club Nationals, but there are plenty of races coming up (USA Championships in February for one).

I also know quite a few of the Nike LA team members, and I think they're a great group of area runners. I wouldn't be pushing Kevin to join up with them otherwise.

All right, enough from me. Except to say: be careful about believing everything you hear through the grapevine, and be doubly careful about passing it on, especially in a forum visited by so many in our running community.

pete:

link is above-

Cheers, Christian.

one more thing, "curious," perhaps you've had more interaction with kevin than I, but in the few times we've raced/hung out, i've found him to be a humble, stand up kind of guy, so you might want to cut your grapevine and grow a new one :)

CH.