D3 is for pathetic losers who aren't good at anything.
D1 is for champions, the best of the best.
D3 is for pathetic losers who aren't good at anything.
D1 is for champions, the best of the best.
About 2 D's
dial it up wrote:
If you dont know these things then I can't help you:
1) Faster runners train faster
2) Travelling across multiple time zones is tougher on your body than not
3) Sure there are probably some scrub teams that don't do cleans, snatches, squats etc. But most do.
1) no they don't. Easy pace is easy pace. Tempo is tempo. Race pace is race pace. Being faster doesn't make running faster harder. If anything, it makes it easier. 5:00 is easier for who: the 10:00 2 miler or the guy with an 8:00 3k pr?
2) waking up a couple of hours early is not tough. Many top d1 teams don't even do this (think PAC 12. They stay in their region for the most part). Half the time, you'll actually be getting more sleep (if you are traveling in the right direction).
3) I didn't say scrub teams. I said top teams. Stop being dishonest.
1) Wow, just....wow. You think recovery runs at Colorado are the same as recovery runs at a d3 school? Tempo runs at Colorado are the same as tempo runs at a d3 school? D1 xc nationals isn't a more difficult race than d3 nationals? You gotta get out more.
2) Oregon just ran in Kentucky this weekend. They travel east and south quite often. I would be willing to bet Central College in Pella, Iowa doesn't leave the state or surrounding states often if ever. You don't understand that it is harder on your body because you have never done it.
3) Top teams strength train. They clean, squat, etc. All of them.
Some differences and observations:
1. D1 in the power conferences have top level athletes. Those teams have studs. And those studs raise the competition level across the board. Once you get past the elite studs, the mid to lower level athletes on D1 teams aren't necessarily faster than D3 higher caliber runners.
The U of MN once sent their B squad to a D3 track meet while their A team went to the Drake Relays. They came strutting in and left with their tails between their legs because most of them didn't win their heat/event.
2. As someone else pointed out there is a diversity of D1 and D3 programs. There are some basketball and football "wannabe" schools that are D1 in track but some of those programs with scholarship athletes aren't better than top tier D3 programs.
Conference Championships from top level D3
http://www.wiacsports.com/documents/2014/5/3/2014WIACOutdoorChampionshipComplete.pdf
Conference Championships from low level D1
http://hln.s3.amazonaws.com/medias/files/445/original.pdf?1399236010
3. Money. Although D3 programs don't give out actual athletic scholarship money, they do give "grants" (not necessarily need based) and "scholarships" (not necessarily merit based) to top caliber high school runners who aren't D1 scholarship worthy. So D3 programs actively recruit athletes and some of these higher caliber athletes receive "grants" and non athletic "scholarships".
Earning a partial athletic scholarship at some private D1 school can still be very expensive and may not be in the financial interests of the athlete.
Top tier academic private schools, regardless of athletic affiliation, may be a better deal due to their massive endowments than a partial or walk on situation at D1 institution without the financial means to attract top level students and athletes.
My friend ran as a walk on at Notre Dame. He received need based financial aid and academic scholarships/grants. It was cheaper for him to walk on at ND than run at a state university in California.
I ran for a small private liberal arts college in Minnesota and because of financial aid, my out of pocket cost was the same as attending in state universities and walking on.
4. Experience
Unless you are at a major college relay there are going to be as many or fewer spectators than a typical high school track meet. It's not like a power conference football or basketball game.
As people pointed out, D1 doesn't necessarily mean better coaching. The coaches just pull in more talent and see who makes it through rather than develop talent. Some of the facilities at D1 schools are rather appalling compared to some D3 schools because basketball and football take up a massive amount of the athletic budget.
Parting advice if you're not a full scholarship athlete.
1. Cost of attendance
2. Academics (Reputation and Job Placement)
3. Athletic Development ( Athletes progressively improving during college)
Dial up,
You need to get out more often and actually verify what you write as well.
1. Pace and type of run are completely different. There's an obvious difference between a national championship race at the different levels.
2. Central and other D3 schools travel. They often leave the state and surrounding areas. Maybe not to the degree of an Oregon or Texas aTm but they do. The average D1 track program doesn't go cavorting around the country every weekend.
http://www.central.edu/athletics/trackfieldmens/schedule.cfm
http://www.pepperdinesports.com/sports/c-track/sched/pepp-c-track-sched.html
http://www.gomatadors.com/sports/m-track/2013-14/schedule
3. Top teams AT ALL LEVELS strength train. All of them. This isn't the dark ages of information. With the internet and cheaper air travel, information is more easily shared and disseminated than ever before.
LOL
dID YOU RUN AT CARLETON? OR SaiNT OLaf?
Another factor is the relative importance of running and going to class. On my team, we are permitted to skip practice during finals week, or at other times in the semester with high stress levels. School definitely comes first. Track is hardly football, and D1 athletes are still expected to go to class, but a higher priority is placed on running. I've also heard stories of D1 coaches calling their runners on weekend nights to make sure they're going to bed and not partying. Some D3 coaches will communicate expectations about not drinking and partying, but they won't enforce them. It seems like most D3 teams, including my own, tend to disregard these guidelines. However, we are still extremely committed to the sport, and we work as hard as anyone in practice. Bottom line is don't pick a school based on division, go somewhere with a good coach, supportive teammates at a similar level to you, and that is a school you would happily spend four years even if you weren't running.
Terabyte Broadband wrote:
Dial up,
You need to get out more often and actually verify what you write as well.
1. Pace and type of run are completely different. There's an obvious difference between a national championship race at the different levels.
2. Central and other D3 schools travel. They often leave the state and surrounding areas. Maybe not to the degree of an Oregon or Texas aTm but they do. The average D1 track program doesn't go cavorting around the country every weekend.
http://www.central.edu/athletics/trackfieldmens/schedule.cfmhttp://www.pepperdinesports.com/sports/c-track/sched/pepp-c-track-sched.htmlhttp://www.gomatadors.com/sports/m-track/2013-14/schedule3. Top teams AT ALL LEVELS strength train. All of them. This isn't the dark ages of information. With the internet and cheaper air travel, information is more easily shared and disseminated than ever before.
You repeated much of what I said. Of course some d3 schools do some traveling, but comparing d1 to d3 is what we're doing. D1 travels a LOT more. I also said all top teams weight lift, not sure why you are arguing my same point with me.
adaoei
i RaN AT MAc