I wonder if Galen Rupp was training like this in high school???
He wasn't because Alberto had a well thought out plan for LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. Ritz's highest international placing was his 3rd place world junior xc finish. Sacrificing long term development for short term gains. Maybe Ritz would have put the 10k AR in the 26:30s with Alberto's guidance from the start.
Ryan Hall's was rumored to do training such as 10 miles @ 5 min pace at high altitude. I think even that is pretty intense for a teenager. Esp if you're only racing 5k and below.
Question is how much did Hall and Ritz sacrifice their long term development by 'going for it' in HS?
In comparison Grant Fisher is barely training when compared to those guys. You see why Grant has a brighter future?
Duh Silly wrote:
I wonder if Galen Rupp was training like this in high school???
He wasn't because Alberto had a well thought out plan for LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. Ritz's highest international placing was his 3rd place world junior xc finish. Sacrificing long term development for short term gains. Maybe Ritz would have put the 10k AR in the 26:30s with Alberto's guidance from the start.
Look at this list of PRs by age
Bekele 26:17 (23 years old)
Geb 26:22 (24 years old)
Tergat 26:27 (28 years old)
Kemboi 26:30 (20 years old)
Negera 26:30 (21 years old)
Kogo 26:35 (20 years old)
Koech 26:36 (28 years old)
Tadese 26:37 (24 years old)
Hissou 26:38 (24 years old)
Hassan 26:38 (22 years old)
Sihine 26:39 (21 years old)
Kiprop 26:39 (19 years old)
Wanjiru 26:41 (18 years old)
Rotich 26:43 (21 years old)
Rupp 26:44 (28 years old)
Farah 26:46 (28 years old)
....
Solinsky 26:59 (25 years old)
...
Ritz 27:22 (26 years old)
Most runners hit their peaks in there early to mid-20s. You can claim age cheating, but I doubt that would change things by more than two years.
I don't understand the people on the boards who always blame coaches for training kids at a high level in high school.
Since your best years should typically occur around 23-25 years old shouldn't we be training a little harder at younger ages. Doing 50 miles a week for Grant Fisher can't possibly be the best thing for his long term development, because he won't reach his aerobic potential or the neuromuscular efficiency he needs to by 23-25. At this rate Fisher might be a good runner by the time he's 28 or 30, but thats past his prime.
Duh Silly wrote:
I wonder if Galen Rupp was training like this in high school???
He wasn't because Alberto had a well thought out plan for LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. Ritz's highest international placing was his 3rd place world junior xc finish. Sacrificing long term development for short term gains. Maybe Ritz would have put the 10k AR in the 26:30s with Alberto's guidance from the start.
Nice rant, but...
Galen ran 13:37 in high school, 12:58 after
Ritz ran 13:41 in high school, 12:56 after
injured. wrote:
Question is how much did Hall and Ritz sacrifice their long term development by 'going for it' in HS?
They did better than all their high school peers
Fisher is barely training when compared to anyone. He was playing soccer (I think in both seasons) until just this year. Unless he had been running 80 mpw AND been playing soccer (and he wasn't) he has been training less than half of what Audrey Belf has been training.
I am not saying he has not had amazing results. 4:02y and 8:51y and national titles in XC and track are enough to be among the best ever. Those times as A JUNIOR make him near the top of the best ever. He has been training like a middle-schooler though.
Breathe in breathe out wrote:
injured. wrote:Question is how much did Hall and Ritz sacrifice their long term development by 'going for it' in HS?
They did better than all their high school peers
I'm not sure Ritz can claim that over Hall or Webb.
Webb 3:46 mile
Hall 2:04:58 (wind aided) 2:06:17 marathon , 59:43 half
Ritz 12:56 5k, 1:00:00 half
all pretty similar in my opinion.
maybe I'm fast wrote:
What's your 5k pr, 18:00?
And BOOM goes the dynamite!
Right on schedule.
Some idiot starts with the ad hominem attacks and PR-stroking.
What is Joe Vigil's 5k PR, you idiot? What is Colm O'Connell's
Breathe in breathe out wrote:
Duh Silly wrote:I wonder if Galen Rupp was training like this in high school???
He wasn't because Alberto had a well thought out plan for LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. Ritz's highest international placing was his 3rd place world junior xc finish. Sacrificing long term development for short term gains. Maybe Ritz would have put the 10k AR in the 26:30s with Alberto's guidance from the start.
Nice rant, but...
Galen ran 13:37 in high school, 12:58 after
Ritz ran 13:41 in high school, 12:56 after
Thank you for proving my point. Rupp ran faster in high school with LESS VOLUME. Rupp also has an Olympic medal. Rupp was doing things like 12x1k in high school. 32 400s at 5k pace for a 17 yr old is crazy.
Alberto's guidance with Ritz at a younger age would have done nothing better for Ritz than what he did. You guys really try to over analyze $HIT to the nth degree on this site. Get a clue.
Breathe in breathe out wrote:
Duh Silly wrote:I wonder if Galen Rupp was training like this in high school???
He wasn't because Alberto had a well thought out plan for LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. Ritz's highest international placing was his 3rd place world junior xc finish. Sacrificing long term development for short term gains. Maybe Ritz would have put the 10k AR in the 26:30s with Alberto's guidance from the start.
Nice rant, but...
Galen ran 13:37 in high school, 12:58 after
Ritz ran 13:41 in high school, 12:56 after
To Mr. Duh SillyUnderstand, if you can, that the Olympics are one day. To judge somebody's career by one race (I have a medal and you don't) is stupid at it's best description. They are both very, very good runners. Dathan unfortunately got screwed with injuries that set him back more times than Galen did. Wake up!
Duh Silly wrote:
Breathe in breathe out wrote:Nice rant, but...
Galen ran 13:37 in high school, 12:58 after
Ritz ran 13:41 in high school, 12:56 after
Thank you for proving my point. Rupp ran faster in high school with LESS VOLUME. Rupp also has an Olympic medal. Rupp was doing things like 12x1k in high school. 32 400s at 5k pace for a 17 yr old is crazy.
Duh Silly wrote:
Thank you for proving my point. Rupp ran faster in high school with LESS VOLUME. Rupp also has an Olympic medal.
So what are you saying, that Ritz would have run faster had he run less? Maybe Rupp was just more talented. Plenty of people have run the volume that Rupp did but would not have run 13:37.
Dathan ran what he needed to run to hit 13:44.7, which was only .7 seconds away from the then 37 year old high school record.
Duh Silly wrote:
32 400s at 5k pace for a 17 yr old is crazy.
400s at 5k pace with 400m of jogging between each one is not high on the difficulty scale.
Because the poster obviously didn't know ANYTHING about running. And BOOM goes rcs 81's small brain.
rcs^81 wrote:
maybe I'm fast wrote:What's your 5k pr, 18:00?
And BOOM goes the dynamite!
Right on schedule.
Some idiot starts with the ad hominem attacks and PR-stroking.
What is Joe Vigil's 5k PR, you idiot? What is Colm O'Connell's
injured. wrote:
Ryan Hall's was rumored to do training such as 10 miles @ 5 min pace at high altitude. I think even that is pretty intense for a teenager. Esp if you're only racing 5k and below.
Question is how much did Hall and Ritz sacrifice their long term development by 'going for it' in HS?
In comparison Grant Fisher is barely training when compared to those guys. You see why Grant has a brighter future?
No I don't see why he has a brighter future. There is no such thing as short term vs long term development. 10 miles at 5:00 pace is not intense when you are a distance oriented 4:01 miler. Being a teenager is irrelevant.
Duh Silly wrote:
I wonder if Galen Rupp was training like this in high school???
He wasn't because Alberto had a well thought out plan for LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. Ritz's highest international placing was his 3rd place world junior xc finish. Sacrificing long term development for short term gains. Maybe Ritz would have put the 10k AR in the 26:30s with Alberto's guidance from the start.
3rd place in 2009 world HM championship.
So what? Your point is?
long term result wrote:
Duh Silly wrote:I wonder if Galen Rupp was training like this in high school???
He wasn't because Alberto had a well thought out plan for LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. Ritz's highest international placing was his 3rd place world junior xc finish. Sacrificing long term development for short term gains. Maybe Ritz would have put the 10k AR in the 26:30s with Alberto's guidance from the start.
3rd place in 2009 world HM championship.
Ya, running 10 miles in 50 minutes is certainly anything but intense...NOT! What an idiot!
dawhat wrote:
injured. wrote:Ryan Hall's was rumored to do training such as 10 miles @ 5 min pace at high altitude. I think even that is pretty intense for a teenager. Esp if you're only racing 5k and below.
Question is how much did Hall and Ritz sacrifice their long term development by 'going for it' in HS?
In comparison Grant Fisher is barely training when compared to those guys. You see why Grant has a brighter future?
No I don't see why he has a brighter future. There is no such thing as short term vs long term development. 10 miles at 5:00 pace is not intense when you are a distance oriented 4:01 miler. Being a teenager is irrelevant.
newname wrote:
I am not saying he has not had amazing results. 4:02y and 8:51y and national titles in XC and track are enough to be among the best ever. Those times as A JUNIOR make him near the top of the best ever. He has been training like a middle-schooler though.
How long has he been training though?
Duh Silly wrote:
Thank you for proving my point. Rupp ran faster in high school with LESS VOLUME. Rupp also has an Olympic medal. Rupp was doing things like 12x1k in high school. 32 400s at 5k pace for a 17 yr old is crazy.
How is 32x 400 at 5k pace any crazier than 12x400 at mile pace that EVERYONE does? What does being 17 have to do with it? Rupp has an Olympic medal in a dying event from a race where everyone had switched events or was injured.
That medal comment is so irrelevant. That has nothing to do with fitness or training which is what this discussion is about. The other poster was correct. All of that "long term development" got Rupp to the exact same spot as Ritz. Their PRs are identical.
Duh Silly wrote:
Because the poster obviously didn't know ANYTHING about running. And BOOM goes rcs 81's small brain.
rcs^81 wrote:And BOOM goes the dynamite!
Right on schedule.
Some idiot starts with the ad hominem attacks and PR-stroking.
What is Joe Vigil's 5k PR, you idiot? What is Colm O'Connell's
^^ "maybe I'm fast" sockpuppet