Why not move to some small, beautiful european town/village?

wait what? wrote:

Not sure how munch EPO benefits the 18:30 crowd

fred wrote:

How much EPO is in it for me

That was my warmup, boy.

The majority of Americans seem to be spoiled complainers with a penchant for violence, fighting, and killing. Please stay where you are.

TrackCoach wrote:

- It takes a year to get a driver's license

- Long waits for just about everything the gov't controls

- only twice a week mail delivery

- Minimal food selection at markets

- Not being to get basic things like milk (not Parmalat), toiletries and asprin

- All drinks are at room temp and forget about ice or even diet drinks

- You can need 3 different types of electrical outlets in one country

I didn't even read the rest of your post but thus far... Are you sure it wasn't the Gobi you lived in?

I have lived in seven European countries and visited many more and what you wrote there just doesn't exist in Europe.

Unless you mean Belarus, 1992.

Lucky Z wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

- It takes a year to get a driver's license

- Long waits for just about everything the gov't controls

- only twice a week mail delivery

- Minimal food selection at markets

- Not being to get basic things like milk (not Parmalat), toiletries and asprin

- All drinks are at room temp and forget about ice or even diet drinks

- You can need 3 different types of electrical outlets in one country

I didn't even read the rest of your post but thus far... Are you sure it wasn't the Gobi you lived in?

I have lived in seven European countries and visited many more and what you wrote there just doesn't exist in Europe.

Unless you mean Belarus, 1992.

I should mention a few things, my extended periods of time in Europe was mostly 20 years ago; I lived in small villages and I'm combining things from difference countries. I will also add that for the most part, I enjoyed my stay, but there were certain things that made me look forward to coming home. For the average American, the romance of living in a small European town wears off in about 6-months. Btw, I lived in GB, Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, East & West Germany and traveled just about everywhere.

There are a lot of small things, like those TrackCoach mentioned, that keep me from seriously considering moving to Europe (I'd go for Austria; my sister lives just over the border in Munich). And yeah, the craft beer (I live in Oregon) is a bigger one of those small things. There are some wonderful things about small European towns, but I think the U.S. has a higher ceiling. Ideally I'd live in the U.S. 20 months out of every 24, and spend the rest in an Austrian hamlet.

kokort wrote:

Don't worry diversity will destroy them.

What does an old, old wooden ship have to do with this?

Eyjafjallajokul wrote:

The majority of Americans seem to be spoiled complainers with a penchant for violence, fighting, and killing. Please stay where you are.

I'm sure the hordes of immigrants spilling in from conservative Muslim countries are better behaved, right? Once they become a majority you can say hello to Sharia.

TrackCoach wrote:

I invite you to go to South Beach during the Memorial Day weekend and report back.

Memorial Day Weekend? Lol!!! That is the WORST weekend to visit South Beach. That is Hip Hop/Urban Weekend, all the white people flee Sobe.

They take mixed baths.

mormon missionary wrote:

bc they don't bathe in europe

Salzburg is not a "small town/village".

A big reason why -- if most Americans moved to Europe -- they would become "illegals". You have to be "invited".

america what wrote:

Why do we live in Chicago, Raleigh, and Flagstaff when places like this are calling out to us?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Salzburg_Altstadt_Panorama.jpg/1000px-Salzburg_Altstadt_Panorama.jpg

I actually lived in that exact city for a few years. You can even see my old apartment in that photo. I moved back to the US a couple of years ago, but still miss Austria a ton. Here are the pros and cons of living in Europe:

Pros

- Very healthy work-life balance. Europeans respect the concept of 'vacation' and don't expect you to check email, be on conf. calls, etc when on holiday. Work would finish at 12:30p every Friday.

- Great health care system. Everyone has a card with a chip on it that contains all needed info, so when you show up at a doctors office, you just give them the card and are usually seen right away. No filling out forms, waiting, etc.

- Great child care system. We paid about 80 Euros a month for (amazing) daycare.

- High quality of food. Pretty much everything in grocery stores comes from local farms, and is fresh without a lot of preservatives, etc. It's essentially like every grocery store is a Whole Foods, without the insane prices.

- Every active, outdoorsy culture. Everyone hikes, bikes, skis or runs and the entire population is generally active. It's completely normal to see people in their 70s cycling or hiking up a mountain.

- Travel opportunities are incredible. We'd wake up in the Alps, and could be either on the coast of the Mediterranean or in Prague by lunchtime. And cities like Paris, London, and Budapest are short flights away.

Cons

- Daily life takes a lot more effort than it does in the US, mostly because it's a entirely different system. Dealing with all of the immigration / government stuff is a hassle, and if you don't know the language well, even a conversation with the car mechanic or getting an official-looking letter in the mail can be stressful. You're constantly out of your comfort zone, which can be either really stimulating or exhausting.

- Taxes are high (but you benefit massively if you have kids.)

jamin wrote:

I hear that this is what average women look like in Poland:

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I definitely should move there.

No ,you should move to the UK, that's where they all live now

Salzburg would be my top spot if I ever moved back. Most Americans can't acclimate being outside their wonderful comfort zone and trying new things. I had pretty much travelled all over the 48 states prior to going into the military, so I was used to being outside my comfort zone. I was never one to rely on the corner 7-11 for anything. The only thing I had to overcome living over there is the different languages when I travelled. I figured as long as you made some attempts with common phrases, you would be alright. I lived close to everything I needed, the bakkerij, vleesmarkt, groentemarkt, plus the Saturday market for anything else I would need. I usually only shopped for about 2 days of meals, which I still do to this day. My Toyota dealer was down the block and I ended up coaching his boy at the local running club. I have no complaints whatsoever. You just have to realize that it isn't America and not all countries are equal.

They have really bad BO.

` wrote:

There are a lot of small things, like those TrackCoach mentioned, that keep me from seriously considering moving to Europe (I'd go for Austria; my sister lives just over the border in Munich). And yeah, the craft beer (I live in Oregon) is a bigger one of those small things. There are some wonderful things about small European towns, but I think the U.S. has a higher ceiling. Ideally I'd live in the U.S. 20 months out of every 24, and spend the rest in an Austrian hamlet.

By the sounds of it, TrackCoach lived in Italy, that's like basing your perception of the whole USA on the basis of your experience in rural Mississippi.

You can get good craft beer in Europe too, mainly the UK and Czech republic, and France has a decent-is culture. Coffee here also actually taste of something, which might come as a shock to many Americans.

1. I don't want to leave my family.

2. There are plenty of beautiful places in the United States to move to.

3. I don't want to learn another language.

4. It would suck to adjust to a new way of life when mine is already nice and comfortable.

5. I'm too old to ever truly be one of them even if I did move there.

Snacker du Svenska? wrote:

Eh, you might think twice. I am a first generation to the states, with my family being from Sweden and Finland (and most still there). Much of Scandinavia is being ruined by their liberal immigration policies. Once quiet and picturesque villages are now slums full of angry foreigners. Trust me in that The States are not the only problem with people moving there and abusing the system. Most of my posts involving how bad Somalis are culturally is usually deleted from this forum, but it is certainly the truth. Parts of Minnesota where these immigrants now live are full of crime and violence. They hate The states, yet they love what they are given here. It's a strange scenario.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H51s1sC2qFECached

Are you nuts? Denmark has perhaps the strictest immigration policy in the entire western (civilized) Europé.