I did want to award a solid 7/10 to whoever started the whole S. Canaday digression. Well played, sir/ma'am.
I did want to award a solid 7/10 to whoever started the whole S. Canaday digression. Well played, sir/ma'am.
lets run tripe wrote:
Maybe Sage's best racing is mountain ultra distances, but saying he has no "talent" because he can't win a marathon is no different than than saying Kimetto has no talent because he can't beat the top 100m sprinters.
^this.
More of the theatre can be found on this thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6194506Yiannis Kouros (B. 1956) has some pretty impressive records - many have been standing since the 1980s and 1990s - for example:
12 hours: 101 miles
24 hours: 188 miles
48 hours: 294 miles
He also has the four fastest times in the 153-mile Spartathlon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartathlon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiannis_Kouros
I don't see any "elite" marathoners touching his records any time soon - if they could they would - right?
George31323 wrote:
if they could they would - right?
No
The #1 reason his records have not been challenged for decades is that there is not enough financial incentive for top runners to seriously pursue ultra during their prime. So you get either runners who aren't fast enough in 42.195km or those who are already past their prime.
more theatre wrote:
lets run tripe wrote:Maybe Sage's best racing is mountain ultra distances, but saying he has no "talent" because he can't win a marathon is no different than than saying Kimetto has no talent because he can't beat the top 100m sprinters.
^this.
More of the theatre can be found on this thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6194506
I watched the video. I offer my sincere apologies for my earlier post. I now concede that MUT running is a refuge for those who lack the talent to succeed in mainstream running events. I will further concede that Sage is likely the very proof of that. Lastly, it seems clear to me, now, that if there were a ranking system, in descending order of athletic talent, MUT running would assuredly come in well after the beer mile. Please forgive me my earlier post.
65ue wrote:
I did want to award a solid 7/10 to whoever started the whole S. Canaday digression. Well played, sir/ma'am.
WHo is this Sage Canaday? Is he an American runner?
Sciatica Road wrote:
Hey, Sage stated he was planning to run Comrades next year. How cool would it be if he takes down Alberto's time?
"Takes down"? Salazar didn't set any records when he won Comrades. The current record is 14 minutes faster than he ran.
more theatre wrote:
lets run tripe wrote:Maybe Sage's best racing is mountain ultra distances, but saying he has no "talent" because he can't win a marathon is no different than than saying Kimetto has no talent because he can't beat the top 100m sprinters.
^this.
More of the theatre can be found on this thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6194506
^^^This absolutely bears repeating, as Sage tests the boundaries of the various running distances.
Sage's plans for 2015 bear watching:
-an attempt at another Oly Trials Marathon qualifier;
-Comrades;
- the 100mile UTMB!
The more immediate question: when does Sage break 10000 Twitter followers, letsrun?
GO SAGE!!!
DontFeedTheTroll wrote:
Sciatica Road wrote:Hey, Sage stated he was planning to run Comrades next year. How cool would it be if he takes down Alberto's time?
"Takes down"? Salazar didn't set any records when he won Comrades. The current record is 14 minutes faster than he ran.
But what you evidently fail to grasp, is that the running talents of the (previously stated on this thread as talentless) Sage Canaday will be further revealed if/when he bests the time of the obviously talented runner Alberto Salazar.
GO SAGE!!!
Hopefully, Billy Yang can go over there as well to document the drama!
GO BILLY!!!
Average guy wrote:
zzzz wrote:Your local 5K fun runs. About half of them are probably won in very slow times. Last weekend, a female friend (who likes racing a lot and isn't picky about races) won a local 5K overall in 19:xx, beating over 200 guys and over 400 women.
19:xx is a fast time. The average guy can't run that. Nice try though.
19:xx is a very slow winning time for a pool of over 600 people. A lot of people can break 20 having never ran before; just from being in shape in general.
Wait till the Africans get in on the ultra train...
Kouris set the 153-mile (road race) Spartathon record 20:25 in 1984. The closest anyone has come to that is Scott Jurek 22:20 in 2008.
A few of you are saying that elite marathoners wont attempt to break this record because theres not enough money involved - please provide some quotes where an elite claims he/she could break it if there was more cash.
Running a 20 hour race is very different than running a 2 hour race - dont you agree?
george313232 wrote:
Running a 20 hour race is very different than running a 2 hour race - dont you agree?
Yes it is. It is just NOT a foot race. The Amazing Race is a televised race that pays big bucks to the winner. It is also entertaining but NOT a foot race. Ultra's fall someplace between a Marathon and the Amazing Race.
For the record: Alberto Salazar had retired as a runner and after being retired needed a competition to fill the void. He won Comrades. He was not a competitive runner at that time.
Right UR wrote:
george313232 wrote:Running a 20 hour race is very different than running a 2 hour race - dont you agree?
Yes it is. It is just NOT a foot race. The Amazing Race is a televised race that pays big bucks to the winner. It is also entertaining but NOT a foot race. Ultra's fall someplace between a Marathon and the Amazing Race.
Dumb analogy, dumbest post in the thread yet. It is a footrace because it is a race on foot.
Right UR wrote:
For the record: Alberto Salazar had retired as a runner and after being retired needed a competition to fill the void. He won Comrades. He was not a competitive runner at that time.
Yes he was. Read his book
NOBODY can deny how phenomenal the ultra-community is ... Which is why many roadies/track folks switch over ... Yes, part of it is they're not getting any faster, but I would wager a bigger portion of it is how isolated and boring the road/track scene is and how solid the ultra-community is.
There is one aspect of running that hasn't been mentioned that Sage definitely has talent in. That is running uphill. Mt Washington is not an ultra. Pikes Peak ascent is not an ultra.
If any of you want to test yourself, go see how fast you can run the Mt Washington road race. It's not a trail and not an ultra so all of you message board superstars should have no problem busting out a sub 58.
you fear what you don't know wrote:
NOBODY can deny how phenomenal the ultra-community is ... Which is why many roadies/track folks switch over ... Yes, part of it is they're not getting any faster, but I would wager a bigger portion of it is how isolated and boring the road/track scene is and how solid the ultra-community is.
Disagree. As a marathoner/roadie dabbling in ultras, I find the ultra community snooty, sponsorship whores, and obsessing over their mileage/diets/gear/personal image/training scenery. The roadies/marathoners are at least normal people eating normal food, they're fit, and not attention-seeking-whores.
Not Really? wrote:
19:xx is a very slow winning time for a pool of over 600 people. A lot of people can break 20 having never ran before; just from being in shape in general.
Is your touch with reality as bad as your grammar? (It's "having never RUN before," not "ran.") Seriously, define "A lot" in regards to people who can break 20 having never run before. At my local 5k's, even the races with 250+ people rarely include more than 2-20 sub-20's. I grant that 250 people is not 600, but it's still large enough to get a decent cross-section of the local running community. Less than 10% breaking 20 minutes...and that's from people who HAVE run before. I don't consider that to be a lot.
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Disagree. As a marathoner/roadie dabbling in ultras, I find the ultra community snooty, sponsorship whores, and obsessing over their mileage/diets/gear/personal image/training scenery. The roadies/marathoners are at least normal people eating normal food, they're fit, and not attention-seeking-whores.[/quote]
no, just sage canaday.