I'm generally a fan of Alberto, but thought it strange how he made fun of Tadese's form recently, saying how much better Rupp's form is. Alberto feels Rupp's form is 1 of the 3 best in the world, although he didn't mention who the other 2 are ahead of him.
What do you guys think? I think Tadese's form is awesome, and obviously his results make Rupp look almost unaccomplished in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5tcgpHIaw0
Tadese:
Olympic Games
Bronze 2004 Athens 10,000 m
World Championships
Silver 2009 Berlin 10,000 m
World Cross Country Championships
Gold 2007 Mombasa Individual
Silver 2005 Saint-Etienne Long race
(individual)
Silver 2006 Fukuoka Long race
(team)
Bronze 2004 Brussels Long race
(team)
Bronze 2008 Edinburgh Individual
Bronze 2009 Amman Individual
Bronze 2009 Amman Team
World Half Marathon Championships
Gold 2006 Debrecen Individual
Gold 2007 Udine Individual
Gold 2008 Rio de Janeiro Individual
Gold 2009 Birmingham Individual
Gold 2012 Kavarna Individual
Silver 2010 Nanning Individual
All-Africa Games
Gold 2007 Algiers 10,000 m
Rupp:
Olympic Games
Silver 2012 London 10,000 m
Pan American Junior Championships
Gold 2003 Bridgetown 5000 m
Salazar makes fun of HM WR holder Zersenay Tadese form compared to Rupp
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Salazar is a know-it-all know-nothing.
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Rupps pr's through 5k make him look, um.. Faster, I think is the word. And most of those races you listed, nobody has heard of or cares about. They both have a silver and for most track races, Rupp would smoke him 8 ways from Sunday.
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Fan of Alberto and Tadese wrote:
...and obviously his results make Rupp look almost unaccomplished in comparison.
I agree 100%. Moreover, let's consider what Salazar is saying: Rupp has better form than a guy with a better PB. So if Rupp is slower than a guy with allegedly sh*tty form, Rupp must be a sh*tty athlete.
When Rupp ties Tadese's world record in the half-marathon, I'll take Salazar seriously. -
well..... wrote:
Rupps pr's through 5k make him look, um.. Faster, I think is the word. And most of those races you listed, nobody has heard of or cares about. They both have a silver and for most track races, Rupp would smoke him 8 ways from Sunday.
7/10 for a solid Rupp troll.
Most of the races listed are the world cross country championships, the world track championships, the world half marathon championships and the Olympic Games.
A few of the races are more random. Not most. A few.
Stop smoking crack. -
*better 10,000m PB.
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doo doo wrote:
well..... wrote:
Rupps pr's through 5k make him look, um.. Faster, I think is the word. And most of those races you listed, nobody has heard of or cares about. They both have a silver and for most track races, Rupp would smoke him 8 ways from Sunday.
7/10 for a solid Rupp troll.
Most of the races listed are the world cross country championships, the world track championships, the world half marathon championships and the Olympic Games.
A few of the races are more random. Not most. A few.
Stop smoking crack.
I re-examined the list. Literally the only one that isn't a world championship or Olympic event was an All-Africa race.
So "a few" is not the proper term. "One" is. -
This is easy ... Tadese >> Rupp
More range
Less Fear
Fewer DNFs
Fewer DNSes
Willing to actually lead in a race before the last few laps: no sitting and kicking
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Fan of Alberto and Tadese wrote:
I'm generally a fan of Alberto, but thought it strange how he made fun of Tadese's form recently, saying how much better Rupp's form is.
Definitely need a citation on this. -
You forgot he is the current WR holder in the half marathon good, luck to Sal Alberto! He is going to have to pump all the drugs to Ruppi just to run faster than a 58:23!
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First off, the list of accomplishements have no linearity... Are we talking about global medals, global teams? You list no PR's, don't take into account Tadese has been on the global scene much longer than Rupp... And also...
This logic is messing w/ me... Are you saying because Tadese has a faster time in the 10k, HM than Rupp, that anyone slower than him can't talk about his stride... Rupp has faster PR's 5k and under... Did it ever occur to you that Salazar might have been saying, "his stride isn't good, yes, he has fast times, but he could have ran faster", just like Mary Cain, she was running fast times before she even came to Salazar, but he noticed her strides and said, "she could be running faster"... Same w/ Ritz and Farah...
Plus I'm not sure if Rupp will get Tadese's 10k, but I def think that Rupp could maybe get his HM time -
haha, and an "all-africa" race would clearly consist of nobodies, haha. nobodies in that, were an american to race, he wouldn't even qualify for the final, lol
doo doo wrote:
I re-examined the list. Literally the only one that isn't a world championship or Olympic event was an All-Africa race.
So "a few" is not the proper term. "One" is. -
Rupp's form isn't even that great. He's not even top 10.
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sadfsdfjsldfkasdf wrote:
Fan of Alberto and Tadese wrote:
I'm generally a fan of Alberto, but thought it strange how he made fun of Tadese's form recently, saying how much better Rupp's form is.
Definitely need a citation on this.
Spoken to a crowd at the coaches clinic in the Stanford Theatre on the Nike Campus at NXN. He was saying how there are fast Kenyans always popping up, but only for 2-3 years before they'd get hurt due to bad form, which is when he then mentioned Tadese, who of course is Eritrean and had a run of about 9 years of exceptional form from 2004-2012. He did say he thought the Ethiopians had excellent form.
It was a great session. I came away as a big fan of Salazar who seemed very open to sharing his ideas and has a good working relationship with those that were there as well, which was Rupp, Cain, Farah, and Centro.
I wasn't trying to be inflammatory, although realize that happens easily on this board and especially given the fact Salazar was chuckling at Tadese's expense. I was mostly curious to see if others had an opinion one way or another on Tadese's form versus Rupp's. I think they both look pretty good, but give the nod to Tadese.
I don't think it's fair to compare times straight across either, as something tells me that Tadese has a bit of an advantage beyond 10,000m being East African.
Rupp:
3000 m 7:30.16 (AR, NR) February 21, 2013 XL Galan Stockholm, SWE
5000 m 12:58.90 June 2, 2012 Prefontaine Classic
10,000 m 26:44.36 (AR, NR) May 30, 2014 Prefontaine Classic
Half marathon 1:00:30 March 20, 2011 New York City Half Marathon
Tadese:
3000 m 7:39.93 Doha, Qatar 13 May 2005
Two miles 8:19.34 Eugene, Oregon, United States 10 June 2007
5000 m 12:59.27 Rome, Italy 14 July 2006
10,000 m 26:37.25 Brussels, Belgium 25 August 2006
15 km 41:34+ Udine, Italy 14 October 2007
20 km 55:21+ Lisbon, Portugal 21 March 2010
Half marathon 58:23 Lisbon, Portugal 21 March 2010 -
jbhjvgy wrote:
Salazar is a know-it-all know-nothing.
Can someone actually provide a link or source for Salazar's statements? Also, pretty form is different than useful/efficient form. -
yyyy wrote:
jbhjvgy wrote:
Salazar is a know-it-all know-nothing.
Can someone actually provide a link or source for Salazar's statements? Also, pretty form is different than useful/efficient form.
sadfsdfjsldfkasdf wrote:
Fan of Alberto and Tadese wrote:
I'm generally a fan of Alberto, but thought it strange how he made fun of Tadese's form recently, saying how much better Rupp's form is.
Definitely need a citation on this.
This is LetsRun, we're not too big on "facts" and "sources" -
As you see in the video Tadese doesn't have a great form! He wastes energy for every stride, not much, but some. Look at his arms! They're stressed and not creating as much forward momentum as he would like. However, he is the most efficient runner of all time, i.e. he's the one athlete that uses least oxygen to get to point B from point A, and that's his advantage!
Rupp has excellent form! His feet land straight under his hip, every movement is creating forward momentum and his foot pendulum is great!
There are other factors contributing that Rupp has produced lesser times than Tadese in the 10k and up! -
From having watched him on videos numerous times, I can see where critics might find his general form a bit funny. Tadese has the slightest winch of a hunch, seems kind of gangly and often looks like he's in pain the whole race.
But yes, I can understand how someone might feel like Al Sal should shut his trap until he produces a half-marathoner in his lifetime near WR capability. It is true that Mo Farah and Galen Rupp have beautiful form and they have been, between them, at the top of championships on the track distance (5,000m and 10,000m) in addition to impressive fitness across range (1500m, 3000m, etc.). However, however, neither of those athletes or their coach is courageous enough to go for anything near world record times. Rupp, additionally, still needs to prove himself in the 5,000m. Finally, Al Sal hasn't produced a single top calibur marathoner (2:04 and change and under, at least). So his claim to be the world's expert on "perfection" of running form across distances is mostly unsupported until these gaps are narrowed.
For Tadese, I buy into the whole Michael Johnson argument, transposed here (Johnson said if he had "regular" form like his critics argued, he would be "back there" with the losers--and, while his 200m former WR is still impressive, it should be said, his 400m WR still stands, nobody has come close nor does it seem like anyone will anytime soon). -
swear to goodness, i close the html italic tag, but letsrun has a bug. Sigh. apologies. only the second however was supposed to be italicized
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Breathe in breathe out wrote:
yyyy wrote:
jbhjvgy wrote:
Salazar is a know-it-all know-nothing.
Can someone actually provide a link or source for Salazar's statements? Also, pretty form is different than useful/efficient form.
sadfsdfjsldfkasdf wrote:
Fan of Alberto and Tadese wrote:
I'm generally a fan of Alberto, but thought it strange how he made fun of Tadese's form recently, saying how much better Rupp's form is.
Definitely need a citation on this.
This is LetsRun, we're not too big on "facts" and "sources"
We just expect people on here have an IQ high enough that they can find it themselves.
Here is the video: http://nxn.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=13&do=videos&video_id=128619
He starts talking about it 13:00 in. If you want to catch his thought process start at 11:00.
