Obama’s parting shot - 34 million NEW green cards.

jamin wrote:

Nowadays there is an ever-finishing need for workers.

Gotta love Windows Phone's autocorrect. I meant to write ever-diminishing.

#YOBRO wrote:

Canuckistan wrote:

What is the problem? Immigration is good for the economy.

More Immigrants == Better Economy. This is true anywhere in the world.

1. Import low skilled workforce that receive state benefits.

2. Ignore historically high unemployment and record deficits.

3. ??????

4. PROFIT!!!

Good bye middle class wages for good. Liberal policy like this (including that of Reagan) flood the labor market and depress wages. Big Business loves this kind of stuff.

Liberals - you can't have everything and expect it not to end in disaster.

Rampant liberalism is gutting the middle class and exacerbating income/wealth inequality.

With that said, I think this is a hoax. There is no.way after his previous failed initiatives that came back to screw the middle class (cash for clunkers, bank bail-outs, obamacare) that he would do something like this.

passage of an immigration bill.

You can see that in the early century, until an anti-immigration bill passed in the early 1920s, immigration was a lot higher as a percentage of the population each year. Over a million legal immigrants per year in a population in 1900 of only 76 million. We have more than four times that population today. Lighten up, anti-immigrant racists.

NonFacebookUser wrote:

Immigrants are an Obamanation.

Immigrants are NOT bad for America. America has always welcomed good, productive immigrants from other nations. My wife is an immigrant. The difference is that we did it the legal, costly, time-consuming way, and she then studied for the citizenship test, passed it, and was rightly proud of herself. The problem is when we leave our border essentially open--and no one can tell me it's not essentially open because I used to live and work on the Rio Grande River in Laredo, Texas, and I've seen how open it is--allowing the poor dregs of third-world countries to come in. Then, if they make it just a few miles past the border, they're home-free. And yes, they DO get plenty of benefits paid for by U.S. citizens and legal residents. If you don't believe this, you've been misled. It's also not just an Obama problem, although he's the absolute worst. Republicans, at least after Reagan, have done nothing to shut down the border. Between Dems buying votes and hoping to change American demographics for their benefit, and Repubs doing nothing so they can keep that cheap labor pouring in, the whole system is a mess. We don't need so-called "immigraion reform" unless and until that border is practically sealed. That's my 50 cents (inflation, you know).

Shawn H wrote:

My wife is an immigrant.

You're an immigrant as is everyone else who's replied on this thread.

"At least 4 million per year for five years". If you haven't noticed Obama won't be in charge for the next five years. A Reagan type amnesty for 9 or 10 million has been talked about for years.

There is right-kind-of-immigration and wrong kind. You wife did it right.

And to R2D3, anyone who points to a "history of immigration" isn't living in the realities of today's world, specifically, this nation's reality.

We are no longer an agrarian society that requires massive no-skill labor. We are hardly [anymore] a manufacturing society that requires low/minimal-skill labor. Some day you'll be down on your luck and without a job and unable to gain temporary/stay-afloat employment because the landscaping/construction/kitchen/labor job was filled by someone who is here illegally.

Luckily, liberals have an answer for you: unemployment/disability which in turn will quickly turn you into a benefit-voting liberal. You see now how incestuous this can be, yes?

keanu wrote:

why not have them become citizen and pay taxes like the rest of us?

They are paying taxes.

..border crossings from Mexico to the United States are down, not up, and there are many more agents patrolling the border. So when Texas Gov. Rick Perry said in a Republican debate last year "The federal government has not engaged in (border security) at all," we rated that Pants on Fire.from http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/01/fact-checking-immigration/

Shawn H wrote:

[quote]NonFacebookUser wrote:

Immigrants are an Obamanation.

The problem is when we leave our border essentially open--and no one can tell me it's not essentially open because I used to live and work on the Rio Grande River in Laredo, Texas, and I've seen how open it is--allowing the poor dregs of third-world countries to come in. Then, if they make it just a few miles past the border, they're home-free. And yes, they DO get plenty of benefits paid for by U.S. citizens and legal residents. If you don't believe this, you've been misled. It's also not just an Obama problem, although he's the absolute worst.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

keanu wrote:

why not have them become citizen and pay taxes like the rest of us?

They are paying taxes.

No, they aren't. My wife has worked at several restaurants. She has to pay taxes because WE have to pay taxes. But she's had illegal immigrant co-workers (the service industries are FULL of them) who get paid cash off the books. Their kids go to school with our kid, and almost all of our daughter's friends live in very nice government "low income" apartments nicer than ours, that we make too much to live in. They all get "free" school lunch while my daughter does not. They all qualify for free college and scholarships that my daughter doesn't qualify for. Their parents have EBT cards. Meanwhile, they all have nice cars, iPhones, etc. Outright illegals who crossed the border or overstayed their visas. Our city is a so-called "sanctuary city" where the immigration laws are never enforced. But then again, with the current administration, America is pretty much a "sanctuary COUNTRY." Wake the hell up.

Apparently, social resentment and political affiliation make you resistant to fact / reason. One more time: ..border crossings from Mexico to the United States are down, not up, and there are many more agents patrolling the border. So when Texas Gov. Rick Perry said in a Republican debate last year "The federal government has not engaged in (border security) at all," we rated that Pants on Fire.Read more: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6070277&page=1#ixzz3GkJ2TkzE

I'm sick of hearing that Mexican laborers are lazy and come here for government benefits. WITHOUT EXCEPTION in the southwestern state where I live, the Spanish speaking work crews are hardworking, on time, and have their checks garnished for both income and social security taxes.

On the negative side, many are here with fake papers. But, with payroll tax deductions and the fact that they don't file a return to get a refund-I imagine they pay a higher percentage of tax than most.

Anyone who says Mexicans are lazy has never poured concrete for 10 bucks an hour. I think their population does in fact depress wages for this type of job, but on the other hand it makes highways, bridges, houses and buildings cheaper too.

You're all mixed up son. Liberals, a predestined target for you, and their big labor benefactors have long opposed immigrants on the ground that they would undermine wages. Free market, capitalist, conservatives have long supported immigration for the very same reason. Turning someone into a "benefit voting liberal" is a fiction. Most beneficiaries of social welfare don't vote. But, everyone, no matter their station in life, votes in their perceived self interest...if they vote at all.

krispy kremlin wrote:

We are no longer an agrarian society that requires massive no-skill labor. We are hardly [anymore] a manufacturing society that requires low/minimal-skill labor. Some day you'll be down on your luck and without a job and unable to gain temporary/stay-afloat employment because the landscaping/construction/kitchen/labor job was filled by someone who is here illegally.

Luckily, liberals have an answer for you: unemployment/disability which in turn will quickly turn you into a benefit-voting liberal. You see now how incestuous this can be, yes?

Nobody in this country who can trace ancestry back to Europe is historically a legal resident.There is nothing in the history books that indicated the Natives

granted entry permits to the invaders from Europe.

lpd wrote:

Nobody in this country who can trace ancestry back to Europe is historically a legal resident.There is nothing in the history books that indicated the Natives

granted entry permits to the invaders from Europe.

Survival of the fittest.

We took it from 'em fair and square.

I am sorry about this little boy but you are conflating perceived perspectives with realities on the ground. I support free markets and the such as long as it is to the benefit of the american people. and yes, you can castigate me for this bigotry(?). I am not ashamed of this nor should you. honestly and truthfully: american policy for americans.

Construction Professional wrote:

I'm sick of hearing that Mexican laborers are lazy and come here for government benefits. WITHOUT EXCEPTION in the southwestern state where I live, the Spanish speaking work crews are hardworking, on time, and have their checks garnished for both income and social security taxes.

On the negative side, many are here with fake papers. But, with payroll tax deductions and the fact that they don't file a return to get a refund-I imagine they pay a higher percentage of tax than most.

Anyone who says Mexicans are lazy has never poured concrete for 10 bucks an hour. I think their population does in fact depress wages for this type of job, but on the other hand it makes highways, bridges, houses and buildings cheaper too.

You are absolutely right about some of what you're saying, Construction Professional. Mexican laborers work their asses off. They are NOT lazy. Not only have I seen how they work, but I learned Spanish and taught them about my church while on a church mission in Fresno and Salinas, California. I know and love many of them. They are hard-working, beautiful, generous people by and large. They are family people. Of course, Mexicans also make up the vast majority of drug traffickers in the U.S., and they are a very serious gang problem. I love the good, and I absolutely despise the worst of them. But regardless of whether they're hard workers, if they're here illegally they should be getting NOTHING from those who are here legally and came here the right way, like my wife. And they DO get many benefits that, because they pay NO income taxes, are paid for by those of us who do. Yes, they DO depress wages for labor, and that hurts American workers who ARE paying taxes and who would like many of those jobs despite liberals' constant chatter about how "undocumented immigrants" are doing jobs Americans won't do. It all comes down to the conservative, wise argument that "You can't have open borders and a welfare state." Shut down the damn border and THEN talk about "welfare reform." No thinking and feeling and practical person would say "Round them all up and send them all back." But you have to stop the bleeding, man.

I absolutely don't agree on the entire conservative platform but liberals need to start looking at what they are in fact 'accomplishing' here.

Hold back your emotions because you are making the world a worse place.

Its' nice that you're advocating for immigrants to come here "the right way" who are you to judge? your wife came here the right way because SHE HAD AN OPTION TO DO SO. She had YOU who was able to get her in. Who do many of these people have to get them in? huh? If they have a kid who is starving and suffering hunger pains every night would you as a parent do nothing? what other options do they have? leave their kid to slowly starve to death? I know as a parent I would literally give my life to see my kid survive and this is what these people are doing. Thousands have died in the desert making the ultimate sacrifice for the ones they love back home. They don't have an option "to do it the right way" In many countries like Mexico you first have to have someone in the US (US citizen, resident) apply on your behalf before you can even get in line. Then you have to wait 10-15 years before you get a call from immigration to begin the process. If you have a kid starving, are you really going to wait 10-15 years? that is if you even have someone who can apply on your behalf in the states. I know coming in here illegally is not the right thing to do, but you cannot judge these people for what they do. They do what they have to do for survival. If you have ever know hunger you might understand. Watching your kids go hungry every day is a powerful motivator to do what you have to do to provide for the ones you love.

and yes illegal immigrants do pay taxes that includes income tax. Research ITIN numbers assigned by the IRS to undocumented immigrants for tax purposes. They also get taxes (state, federa, social security) taken out of they pay checks just like everyone else no matter if their documents are real or fake. The deductions still happen. FACT.

lpd wrote:

Nobody in this country who can trace ancestry back to Europe is historically a legal resident.There is nothing in the history books that indicated the Natives

granted entry permits to the invaders from Europe.

LOL. They didn't have legal title. And look up right of conquest. No property rights if your own "government" can't enforce them because everyone is too busy worshipping trees/animals and wandering around in the woods.

Also don't give me that "everyone is an immigrant" BS.