Texas A&M and LSU

Author: mini me

Message: Auburn beat the Ducks in Glendale, Arizona for the BCS Title...

Ummm, the Auburn runner who scored the final touchdown had their elbow touch the ground. In other bowl game, the same year, with an identical situation, the play was called dead. The refs erred and gave Auburn a TD for for the tainted "win."

Florida St barely beat Oklahoma St and Clemson. If truly want to say history is history then don't talk about what they did last year, but you can't if you want to use this line of argument. FSU needed a last second td to beat Auburn last year and are improved this year. But aren't the best the SEC this year...

If you aren't sold on Mississippi St this year then you must be clinging to the past. They jumped on Auburn early and pulled away to a 15 point win. I've watched 3 of their conference games this year. The wins weren't flukes, they were the better team in each. Dan Mullen has them rolling.

You talked about the SEC getting a lot of their power conference wins over overrated B12 teams. Maybe you misspoke? I'll give Oklahoma over Alabama last year. Besides that, the SEC has pretty much owned the B12 in major bowl games. Go ahead, look it up... If we want to keep it to this season, Auburn won at Kansas St. Alabama beat West Virginia. West Virginia must be one of top teams in the B12 based them outplaying and beating Baylor by 14 and being fairly competitive against Oklahoma. So the top SEC teams are beating the top B12 teams, including on the road. Remember when Ole Miss won AT Texas by 21 last year? Texas went 7-2 in the B12 while Ole Miss went 3-5 in the SEC. A middle of the pack SEC team dominating a top B12 team on the road... And is your "second best" conference...

The SEC West has FOUR teams better than ANY P12 team. There is no depth comparison at all. Oregon's O-line couldn't stop Arizona or Washington St's defense from getting in Mariota's face. These are NOT good defenses, in fact they stink. Any ok SEC defense would rack up at least a half dozen sacks on Oregon and completely disrupt their offense. Auburn did just that when Chip Kelly was still in Eugene. And USC lost to BOSTON COLLEGE. Really? BTW, UNC played Notre Dame to the wire. Stanford doing the same isn't impressive at all.

So you also don't know the difference between mostly and all... Did you not read the whole post or are you just retarded? Don't answer that, it's a double yes.

UR so immature, mini me. You never did grow up. That much is obvious.

You come on here, post something that is meant to correct a comment and it's completely inconsistent with what I actually posted. That seems to suggest a certain lack of maturity as far as discussing a point goes. Just admit you were wrong. That would be the mature thing to do...

They jumped out to that lead due to Auburn turning the ball over their first two offensive plays. There were 8 combined turnovers in the game. Dak Prescott is a fine athlete, but not a great quarterback. I'm inclined to agree with Danielson's assessment.

I did not say this. I have no idea where you got that from.

You must have missed my bit about the transitive property. West Virginia beating Baylor does not make Alabama automatically better than Baylor (or TCU for that matter). Kansas State beating Oklahoma does not automatically make Auburn better than Oklahoma. The same goes for the Mississippi schools.

At the beginning of the year Texas was no where near a "top Big 12 team" They had just gotten their ass handed to them by BYU. Oklahoma thumped Mississippi State last year. A TCU team that finished 4-8 almost beat LSU. The SEC wasn't particularly impressive in bowl games last year either. A&M need a miracle Manziel comeback to beat Duke, LSU struggled with Iowa, Georgia lost to Nebraska, and of course they went 0-2 in the BCS games (though Auburn's performance was impressive in the loss).

The SEC came back to earth last year from their past dominance, and I haven't seen anything this year to convince me that they are that much better than everyone else.

FitzyXC wrote: Oklahoma State thumped Mississippi State last year.

Fixed.

@mini me

grow up little boy

"They jumped out to that lead due to Auburn turning the ball over their first two offensive plays. There were 8 combined turnovers in the game. Dak Prescott is a fine athlete, but not a great quarterback. I'm inclined to agree with Danielson's assessment."

And then Auburn came back. And then Mississippi St pulled away and won by 15. As I stated Mississippi St was the better team. Anyone who saw the game could see that. You and Gary Danielson are just plain wrong.

I had a co-worker once that didn't think Alabama and LSU shouldn't play each other in the BCS title. He gave the reasoning "It wasn't even a good game when they played." However, LSU had beaten the P10 and Big East champions earlier that year. Alabama didn't let LSU pass the 50 yard line until the 4th quarter. They were the two best teams in the country. Point being, just because there where miscues in the Auburn-Mississippi St game doesn't mean they are overranked. They are ranked appropriately. As for Dak Presscott, the same could have been said for Tim Tebow. But they are both more than good enough to win. In the college game, being a "fine athlete" is enough to win.

"I did not say this. I have no idea where you got that from."

You're right. It was Bad Wiggins that said it.

"You must have missed my bit about the transitive property. West Virginia beating Baylor does not make Alabama automatically better than Baylor (or TCU for that matter). Kansas State beating Oklahoma does not automatically make Auburn better than Oklahoma. The same goes for the Mississippi schools."

I've never argued against this nor was it my point. My point was West Virginia is one of the better teams in the B12 as evidenced by how they have played against highly ranked teams in their conference. And Alabama beat them, giving them a win against a quality B12 opponenet. Get it?

Alabama isn't better than Baylor because they beat West Virginia and Baylor didn't. Alabama is just plain better. Both have good offenses, Baylor better in the passing game (but not by nearly as much as may be claimed) while Alabama has a significantly better run game. Alabama has a MUCH better defense. Period. Baylor has giving up 40 or more to the two quality opponents they have played.

"At the beginning of the year Texas was no where near a "top Big 12 team" They had just gotten their ass handed to them by BYU. Oklahoma thumped Mississippi State last year. A TCU team that finished 4-8 almost beat LSU. The SEC wasn't particularly impressive in bowl games last year either. A&M need a miracle Manziel comeback to beat Duke, LSU struggled with Iowa, Georgia lost to Nebraska, and of course they went 0-2 in the BCS games (though Auburn's performance was impressive in the loss).

The SEC came back to earth last year from their past dominance, and I haven't seen anything this year to convince me that they are that much better than everyone else."

Texas won 6 consecutive B12 games after losing to Ole Miss by 21 points at home. They were a top B12 team immediately upon entering conference play. Did they magically become better out of nowhere? Their conference losses came at the end of the year.

LSU struggled against every decent team last year. They had, and continue to have, crappy offense. They have also won EVERY SINGLE GAME against non-conference opponet last year and this year. I don't care if they "struggle" in these games when they start losing them then tell me they aren't good.

Mississippi St wasn't a top SEC team last year. The were 4-6 through ten games. They went 3-5 in the SEC, two of those wins were OT wins against teams who also had losing SEC records. Yet they definitely improved through the course of the season, as evidenced by their increasingly competivie performances late in the season. They have come back much stronger this season. This year's team would run on Oklahoma St all day. It would look like the TAMU game.

If you haven't seen that the SEC is stronger this season you need to open your eyes. Mississippi St is significantly better. Ole Miss is significantly better and has possibly the best defense in the country. Auburn is better at this point in the season then they were last year. Alabama is the same, offense has actually played better, defense a little worse but overall the same quality team. Georiga is better. That's 4 top 10 teams that are better than last year and Alabama has maintained. Kentucky is also much improved. You don't think they will win in Louisville because of the Cardinals defense? You are wrong. They scored 30 in Gainesville against a much better defense. the two reasons the Gators aren't doing well are Muschamp and Driskel. That is literally the only reasons. There defense is top notch and BETTER than Louisville's. No, if you think the SEC isn't better than last year than you just don't know football. And that is scary because they went 7-3 in bowl games last year. Alabama and Georiga disappointed that is it. Auburn played great against FSU and nearly won the national title. Everyone else won. They'll do even better this year. Count on it.

Oops. Didn't change my name. I've been posting as mini me on this thread.

I'm going to go back to my original handle on this thread since it's more appropriate when responding to 'MAXI ME'.

MAXI ME-

So now you are using insults? So let's recap. You called me out with a nonsensical post in which you clearly read what I originally wrote. You were wrong and so I insulted you. You come back and attempt to gain the moral high ground but ironically use insults and attempted condescension in the process. You are 0-2 my friend.

So what, I am small, big deal.

MAXI ME wrote:

@mini me

grow up little boy

Nice

FitzyXC wrote:

West Virginia beating Baylor does not make Alabama automatically better than Baylor

It makes Baylor overrated along with the rest of the Big 12, like I said before. Practically the only thing the AP voters have got right is driving them out of the top 10, except for TCU. They're still fawning over TCU for beating supposedly-number-4 Oklahoma early on. Early season rankings should never count for strength of schedule unless they hold up for the rest of the season.

The only reason the Big 12 even still exists is to make the SEC look good by losing to them in bowl games.

Bad Wigins wrote:

FitzyXC wrote:

West Virginia beating Baylor does not make Alabama automatically better than Baylor

It makes Baylor overrated along with the rest of the Big 12, like I said before. Practically the only thing the AP voters have got right is driving them out of the top 10, except for TCU. They're still fawning over TCU for beating supposedly-number-4 Oklahoma early on. Early season rankings should never count for strength of schedule unless they hold up for the rest of the season.

The only reason the Big 12 even still exists is to make the SEC look good by losing to them in bowl games.

Actually, I think TCU is still ranked in the top 10 because they are 5-1, have only lost to 6-1 Baylor (in a very tight game that was won by 44-yard a last second FG) while having beaten 5-2 Oklahoma by a score of 37-33, 6-1 Minnesota by a score of 30-7, and 5-2 Oklahoma State by a score of 42-9.

But sure, you're right, they - and all other teams that are ranked well - must only be ranked well because teams they played started off ranked well.

I do agree that preseason polls get in the way of judging how good teams are this year - actually, I think that ALL previous weeks polls have that effect, but obviously that starts first and foremost with polls that don't take ANY current season results into account. However, that doesn't mean that any team that is ranked is only ranked because they played previously ranked teams - TCU is a perfect example of a team that has played well to date.

Now this garbage TAMU team with an 18 year old quarterback that could barely beat UL Monroe is thumping Auburn.

O-VER-RATED

Ah yes. That pathetic Auburn team that beat top 10 Kansas St on the road... Have you ever considered that teams have good games and bad games? How did Florida lose to Missouri by four touchdowns but dominate Georgia? The same Georgia team that beat Missouri 34-0. SEC teams beating each other doesn't prove your point in any way. The games between SEC against teams that are/were ranked suggest the exact opposite of what you are saying. So will the postseason. But go ahead, come back later tonight and tell us the SEC is weak when somebody wins the Alabama-LSU game. Straight up trolling.

Auburn can't be that good if they lose to TAMU. TAMU sucks. See this thread.

K State's only good win was gifted to them from Oklahoma crapping down their pants.

They have multiple wins over top 15 teams. This is just another case of you being completely wrong.