The game of CLUE wrote:
You can be amused all you want Mr. Hubbard, but we've used our wheel many times and backed it up on the track for verification of it's accuracy.
The argument will then be how do you know the track is accurate?...and on and on and on. Well, how do we know anything is accurate?
The bottom line is a wheel is close, very close if measured from point to point. If a course measures to within a few feet, then you're in the ball park of a stride or two.
MIS is accurate and feel free to measure it yourself, or anyone for that fact. You're a great announcer, simply one of the best, but you don't know everything about measuring cross country courses and the reality of obtaining accurate results. I measured a course yesterday for a coach and was within 2 feet of their finish line...that's accurate enough for a cross country race as it's not even half a second. And that 2 feet is if the runner goes from point to point as the course was laid out.
As for Milford and the coach hiding this and that, what a load of crap. I ran a course with 5 teammates together and we all finished in 15:31. We knew it wasn't accurate and the results didn't count towards our pr's. Any runner who was our competition, if having read the results, would immediately know that the course was BS by simply looking at our other times. You're not wining a mind game with bullshit courses as most runners and coaches actually know throughout the years what courses are real and what aren't.
Irrelevant, you're not winning anything by putting down a fast time thinking that it will have an effect on your "real" opponents. Trust me, they know the times are bullshit unless you are running them all season on courses known to be accurate. The Milford coach may have been trying to be smart, but he wasn't fooling anyone allegedly attempting to hide results and go in as an under dog. We ran against them in high school and laughed at their times. Honestly, it's childish as it's best.scotth wrote:Idkafa wrote:Right you are about my role w/the Lower Peninsula Finals & course certification duties. They are quite separate. I've nothing to do w/layout & measurement of the MIS course. Frankly, if asked not sure which tool I'd use to measure it. Measuring wheels skip & it's tough to follow the shortest route available plus they need calibrating (which nobody that uses them does). Maybe try mounting my counter on a mtn bike. Too bad I can't take my road bike over it since I have my computer dialed in near perfectly. I'm always amused to see coaches @ MIS w/their wheels, taking measurements. Too hard to just pick a spot out to offer advice/encouragement? Mile splits are given, isn't that enough 'distance' info?
Your error in thinking is that since Scott measures road races, he is somehow an expert on the management of the MHSAA State Finals. While Scott would do a tremendous job measuring MIS, his responsibilities stop at announcing. Every October, before the finish line is painted, the courses is measured twice.