god or medicine wrote:
Why bother treating people with modern medicine if it is God that cures them. Let them pray for a healing and save money on medicine.
+1
god or medicine wrote:
Why bother treating people with modern medicine if it is God that cures them. Let them pray for a healing and save money on medicine.
+1
He should thank the tobacco industry.
ZMapp is manufactured in the tobacco plant nicotiana in the bioproduction process known as "pharming" by Kentucky BioProcessing, a subsidiary of Reynolds American.
In a process called "magnifection," tobacco plants are infected with the viruses.
Subsequently, antibodies are extracted and purified from the plants. Once the genes encoding the humanized mAbs are in hand, the entire tobacco production cycle is believed to take a few months.
R2D3 wrote:
god or medicine wrote:Why bother treating people with modern medicine if it is God that cures them. Let them pray for a healing and save money on medicine.
+1
I have more respect for those wacko faith healer religious types that refuse to take their kids to doctors and rely on healing. They actually believe in what they are saying.
Be a Christian if you want but don't go to hospitals, doctors, specialists and load up on medication and then thank God for healing you. You obviously didn't have enough faith in God when you went to the Dr in the first place.
Fanatical atheists don't ya just love 'em?
So you don't believe in god and you have a million & one scientific reasons why there cannot be a god. Wow that's just soooo interesting! Major discovery! You must be the first to figure it out!
Why, the fV*k can't you just leave people to get on with their life & their beliefs how they want to and keep your beliefs, or lack of, to yourselves?
then tell the 99% athletes who get interviewed on TV and are sure to "thank God" for their performance to keep that to themselves as well...don't talk about that ish in an interview, i want to hear about the game/performance.
So fv**ing what! wrote:
Fanatical atheists don't ya just love 'em?
So you don't believe in god and you have a million & one scientific reasons why there cannot be a god. Wow that's just soooo interesting! Major discovery! You must be the first to figure it out!
Why, the fV*k can't you just leave people to get on with their life & their beliefs how they want to and keep your beliefs, or lack of, to yourselves?
goes both way broseph wrote:
then tell the 99% athletes who get interviewed on TV and are sure to "thank God" for their performance to keep that to themselves as well...don't talk about that ish in an interview, i want to hear about the game/performance.
So fv**ing what! wrote:Fanatical atheists don't ya just love 'em?
So you don't believe in god and you have a million & one scientific reasons why there cannot be a god. Wow that's just soooo interesting! Major discovery! You must be the first to figure it out!
Why, the fV*k can't you just leave people to get on with their life & their beliefs how they want to and keep your beliefs, or lack of, to yourselves?
He was clearing referencing the atheist on the thread actively calling out those that thank God. Thanking God isn't calling out other people in a negative way. They are very different things. Nobody is going to yell at an atheist for thanking their team, friends, doctors, or whatever other person is relevant. If they did call an atheist out for thanking someone that helped them, then it would be comparable, broseph.
I thought you had to be smart to get into medical school.
Guess the doc isn't familiar with this medical study on the effectiveness of prayer on patient outcomes:
"STEP investigators enrolled 1,802 bypass surgery patients from six hospitals and randomly assigned each to one of three groups: 604 patients received intercessory prayer after being informed they may or may not receive prayers (Group 1); 597 patients did not receive prayer after being informed they may or may not receive prayer (Group 2); and 601 patients received intercessory prayer after being informed they would receive it (Group 3).
Caregivers and independent auditors comparing case reports to medical records were unaware of the patients' assignments throughout the study. The study enlisted members of three Christian groups, two Catholic and one Protestant, to provide prayer throughout the multi-year study. The researchers approached other denominations, but none were able to make the time commitments that the study required.
Some patients were told they may or may not receive intercessory prayer: complications occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1) versus 51 percent of those who did not receive prayer (Group 2). Complications occurred in 59 percent of patients who were told they would receive prayer (Group 3) versus 52 percent, who also received prayer, but were uncertain of receiving it (Group 1). Major complications and thirty-day mortality were similar across the three groups."
http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html
bvcsa wrote:
goes both way broseph wrote:then tell the 99% athletes who get interviewed on TV and are sure to "thank God" for their performance to keep that to themselves as well...don't talk about that ish in an interview, i want to hear about the game/performance.
He was clearing referencing the atheist on the thread actively calling out those that thank God. Thanking God isn't calling out other people in a negative way. They are very different things. Nobody is going to yell at an atheist for thanking their team, friends, doctors, or whatever other person is relevant. If they did call an atheist out for thanking someone that helped them, then it would be comparable, broseph.
As you said, their team, friends, doctors or whatever are relevant. God isn't.
herp derrr wrote:
I thought you had to be smart to get into medical school.
open your mind a bit
R2D3 wrote:
In a process called "magnifection," tobacco plants are infected with the viruses.
What if they are mistakenly made into cigarettes and millions of people smoke ebola
vvvvvv wrote:
Guess the doc isn't familiar with this medical study on the effectiveness of prayer on patient outcomes:
"STEP investigators enrolled 1,802 bypass surgery patients from six hospitals and randomly assigned each to one of three groups: 604 patients received intercessory prayer after being informed they may or may not receive prayers (Group 1); 597 patients did not receive prayer after being informed they may or may not receive prayer (Group 2); and 601 patients received intercessory prayer after being informed they would receive it (Group 3).
Caregivers and independent auditors comparing case reports to medical records were unaware of the patients' assignments throughout the study. The study enlisted members of three Christian groups, two Catholic and one Protestant, to provide prayer throughout the multi-year study. The researchers approached other denominations, but none were able to make the time commitments that the study required.
Some patients were told they may or may not receive intercessory prayer: complications occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1) versus 51 percent of those who did not receive prayer (Group 2). Complications occurred in 59 percent of patients who were told they would receive prayer (Group 3) versus 52 percent, who also received prayer, but were uncertain of receiving it (Group 1). Major complications and thirty-day mortality were similar across the three groups."
http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html
Doggone it, if you're going to persist in bringing "data" and "reason" and "evidence" into these discussions, you're going to ruin the whole tone of the board!
Personally, I feel strongly both ways.
What about Santa? Do you still believe in him too?
vvvvvv wrote:
Guess the doc isn't familiar with this medical study on the effectiveness of prayer on patient outcomes:
Some patients were told they may or may not receive intercessory prayer:
- complications occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1) versus 51 percent of those who did not receive prayer (Group 2).
- Complications occurred in 59 percent of patients who were told they would receive prayer (Group 3) versus 52 percent, who also received prayer, but were uncertain of receiving it (Group 1).
- Major complications and thirty-day mortality were similar across the three groups."
http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html
This says that prayer *increased* complications. So yeah, prayer is more than useless.
Oddly enough, Christianity is still more scientifically valid than any shit spewed across this message board.
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness...And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion...Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.
---George Washington
what grinds my gears wrote:
R2D3 wrote:+1
I have more respect for those wacko faith healer religious types that refuse to take their kids to doctors and rely on healing. They actually believe in what they are saying.
Be a Christian if you want but don't go to hospitals, doctors, specialists and load up on medication and then thank God for healing you. You obviously didn't have enough faith in God when you went to the Dr in the first place.
Christians believe that medicine and modern science is part of God's way of healing people, which negates your bigoted rant.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
goes both way broseph wrote:
then tell the 99% athletes who get interviewed on TV and are sure to "thank God" for their performance to keep that to themselves as well...don't talk about that ish in an interview, i want to hear about the game/performance.
So fv**ing what! wrote:Fanatical atheists don't ya just love 'em?
So you don't believe in god and you have a million & one scientific reasons why there cannot be a god. Wow that's just soooo interesting! Major discovery! You must be the first to figure it out!
Why, the fV*k can't you just leave people to get on with their life & their beliefs how they want to and keep your beliefs, or lack of, to yourselves?
You appear to mistakenly believe that anyone is interested in what you want to hear from athletes in interviews..
what grinds my gears wrote:
bvcsa wrote:He was clearing referencing the atheist on the thread actively calling out those that thank God. Thanking God isn't calling out other people in a negative way. They are very different things. Nobody is going to yell at an atheist for thanking their team, friends, doctors, or whatever other person is relevant. If they did call an atheist out for thanking someone that helped them, then it would be comparable, broseph.
As you said, their team, friends, doctors or whatever are relevant. God isn't.
What? Who are you to judge who is relevant to another person? Whether or not you believe God is real, if someone found strength in their belief, is that not relevant?
Kevegan wrote:
What about Santa? Do you still believe in him too?
Hey Dikkhedd biggot! Read the text again dumbFVck! Did I say I believed? You assume because I called out fanatical atheists that I must be a believer. Why? Because you a fvcking dim wit. Thats why! LMAO