Video at crime scene shows fat, overweight Officer Darren Wilson (vs Special Operations Commando)

[quote]douglas burke wrote:

on another note, the person who was with brown when he robbed the store, told the FBI he thought michael brown was just joking when he said he was going to rob the store.

the second michael brown walked out the door with the cigars, doesnt, michael browns friend have an ethical or moral responsibility to tell brown, this is not funny, give this back to the store?

also, because he was with michael brown when brown robbed the store doesnt that make him an accomplice to the robbery? and if it does, why havent they arrested michael browns friend? and will they?

Does logic somehow defy you? Brown is not entitled to try to shoot a cop because the cop tells him to get out of the street. The cop IS entitled to protect himself against Brown, and when Brown attempted to shoot him, the cop should then be entitled to protect the public by shooting an attempted cop killer. I can't argue your post because it is both irrelevant and doesn't make any sense.

J.R. wrote:

If the cop attempted to shot Brown, which he did, and Brown was murdered, it was Browns fault he got shot?

No, it was the cop's fault who murdered him.

Shawn Parcells, a forensic pathologist acting on behalf of Michael Brown's family, details the gunshot wounds sustained by the teenager who was killed by police in Ferguson, Missouri last week. He said that an independent autopsy showed that Brown, 18, was shot at least six times.

get used to it. wrote:

Brown is not entitled to try to shoot a cop because the cop tells him to get out of the street. The cop IS entitled to protect himself against Brown, and when Brown attempted to shoot him, the cop should then be entitled to protect the public by shooting an attempted cop killer.

Brown did not have a gun, did not point a gun at the cop, and did not attempt to shoot the cop. Brown was defenseless.

The cop had a gun, did pull his gun, did intend to shoot Brown with his gun, did shoot Brown six times with his gun, and he did murder Brown.

The cop needs to be convicted of murder and to be sent to prison for murdering Brown, and worse, for using his position as a cop to murder a defenseless public citizen, who was simply walking down the street.

Viewing all this from afar, the peaceful tranquillity of an English market town, I am wondering if any white American policeman ever DARE shoot at a black person anymore, whatever that black person was up to?

He reached inside the car and was scuffling with the cop for the cops gun. The gun was discharged in the car. He was not defenseless. The rest of your argument falls based on this, which you can't seem to admit to.

douglas burke wrote:

on another note, the person who was with brown when he robbed the store, told the FBI he thought michael brown was just joking when he said he was going to rob the store.

the second michael brown walked out the door with the cigars, doesnt, michael browns friend have an ethical or moral responsibility to tell brown, this is not funny, give this back to the store?

also, because he was with michael brown when brown robbed the store doesnt that make him an accomplice to the robbery? and if it does, why havent they arrested michael browns friend? and will they.

When black people shoplift, is it now called robbery???

You are so freaking transparent. Shoplifting is robbery. From dictionary.com

rob-ber-y

[rob-uh-ree] Spell Syllables

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noun, plural robberies.

1. the act, the practice, or an instance of robbing.

2. Law. the felonious taking of the property of another from his or her person or in his or her immediate presence, against his or her will, by violence or intimidation.

get used to it. wrote:

You are so freaking transparent. Shoplifting is robbery. From dictionary.com

rob-ber-y

[rob-uh-ree] Spell Syllables

Synonyms

Examples

Word Origin

noun, plural robberies.

1. the act, the practice, or an instance of robbing.

2. Law. the felonious taking of the property of another from his or her person or in his or her immediate presence, against his or her will, by violence or intimidation.

rofl

Dictionary.com, wow

There is a LEGAL distinction between shoplifting and robbery

moron

1) The findings of a private autopsy indicated that the unarmed 18-year-old was killed by a police officer while trying to surrender;

2) Michael Brown was shot “at least” six times by officer Darren Wilson and was ultimately killed by a bullet that entered the top of his head and traveled “back to front”, attorney Daryl Parks said the autopsy had found, arguing this showed Brown was fatally shot when his head was well bowed;[/quote]

3) Dr Michael Baden, who carried out the autopsy, said that “there weren’t signs of a struggle” on Brown’s body;

4) Professor Shawn Parcells, a pathologist who worked on the autopsy with Baden, said that one shot, to the middle of Brown’s right arm, “could have occurred when he was putting his hands up”.

5) Witnesses have said that at one point the 18-year-old threw his arms in the air in surrender. Parcells said two of the shots passed through and re-entered different parts of Brown’s body.

6) The pathologists said that they did not know the order in which the shots were fired, but that the two shots to the head were likely to have been the last. “All of these gunshot wounds were survivable except the one to the top of the head,” said Baden.

7) Baden also said Brown’s body showed “no gunshot residues on the skin surface, so the muzzle of the gun was at least one or two feet away. It could have been 30 feet away.”

8) He said that to confirm this he would need to search Brown’s clothing for gunshot residue and had not yet had access to it. He said Brown suffered abrasions to his face when he fell to the ground."

9) a friend of the (Wilson ) family, who declined to be named, told the Guardian that the officer admits he shot the teenager in the head. However, his version of events contradicts aspects of the accounts given by some other eyewitnesses.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/18/michael-brown-autopsy-teenager-surrendering-ferguson

photograph showing locations of the shots

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/18/1408384715869/56d38fc4-1ce0-4166-ad12-2851cf99c8eb-460x276.jpeg

nothing I read points to the cop standing over him and shooting him in the top of his head.

where is this video you say shows the cop who shot the kid at the scene?

He doesn't have anything. It is all speculative.

video artist wrote:

nothing I read points to the cop standing over him and shooting him in the top of his head.

where is this video you say shows the cop who shot the kid at the scene?

There is so much speculation in this post it is laughable- while trying to surrender;- Witnesses have said that at one point the 18-year-old threw his arms in the air in surrender. The same witnesses who said MB was running away?- #9 is pure speculation. No evidence whatsoever.A cop unloaded his gun on a person. Clearly he went overboard. But MB had robbed a store, was pushing people around, walking down the middle of the street, refusing to obey police orders, and most likely assaulted a cop. This does not mean he deserved to die, nor should we blame the victim. But this was not some random execution, where the cop decides, "I'm gonna blow somebody away today".There is a huge problem at most police departments now. John Oliver hit the nail on the head.

J.R. wrote:

1) The findings of a private autopsy indicated that the unarmed 18-year-old was killed by a police officer while trying to surrender;

2) Michael Brown was shot “at least” six times by officer Darren Wilson and was ultimately killed by a bullet that entered the top of his head and traveled “back to front”, attorney Daryl Parks said the autopsy had found, arguing this showed Brown was fatally shot when his head was well bowed;

3) Dr Michael Baden, who carried out the autopsy, said that “there weren’t signs of a struggle” on Brown’s body;

4) Professor Shawn Parcells, a pathologist who worked on the autopsy with Baden, said that one shot, to the middle of Brown’s right arm, “could have occurred when he was putting his hands up”.

5) Witnesses have said that at one point the 18-year-old threw his arms in the air in surrender. Parcells said two of the shots passed through and re-entered different parts of Brown’s body.

6) The pathologists said that they did not know the order in which the shots were fired, but that the two shots to the head were likely to have been the last. “All of these gunshot wounds were survivable except the one to the top of the head,” said Baden.

7) Baden also said Brown’s body showed “no gunshot residues on the skin surface, so the muzzle of the gun was at least one or two feet away. It could have been 30 feet away.”

8) He said that to confirm this he would need to search Brown’s clothing for gunshot residue and had not yet had access to it. He said Brown suffered abrasions to his face when he fell to the ground."

9) a friend of the (Wilson ) family, who declined to be named, told the Guardian that the officer admits he shot the teenager in the head. However, his version of events contradicts aspects of the accounts given by some other eyewitnesses.

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How much would the cost of a gopro cam mounted on every officer compare to unnecessary gun accessories?

Look, based on past posts, J.R. is indeed a troll or insane. Of course the same could be said of you....However, putting all of that aside for the moment:

get used to it. wrote:

He reached inside the car and was scuffling with the cop for the cops gun. The gun was discharged in the car. He was not defenseless. The rest of your argument falls based on this, which you can't seem to admit to.

You are basing all of that on what? Officer Wilson's words?? You have no idea exactly what transpired in/next to the police car. All we seem to know for sure (and even some of this is not 100% certain) is:

1) Wilson told Brown to get out of street

2) Brown did not seem to immediately obey "request"

3) Wilson slammed the car in reverse and then started to open car door, likely slamming it into Brown, and started to get out of cruiser to grab Brown

4) a scuffle occurred at the side of the cruiser, with Wilson either grabbing Brown and pulling him into/towards vehicle a bit, and/or Brown reaching into car and pushing Wilson backwards

5) the officer's gun was discharged right at that location (either inside car or just outside of the window)

6) Brown moved away from car after getting shot, and was then shot several more times by Wilson who got out of vehicle following and shooting

You have no idea if he was going for the officer's gun. Maybe the officer was drawing the gun out of his holster once Brown pushed him away, and maybe Brown also pushed his hand. We have no idea what happened at the crucial moment. The officer might have felt rightfully threatened to shoot ONCE (all of the extra shots as Brown was moving away from the car and falling on ground are clearly over the top).

But a bigger issue is: he was probably an idiot for grabbing a 6'4" 240 lb guy by the neck who was only jaywalking and maybe mouthed off and should have instead gotten out of his vehicle at a safe distance first, and THEN told Brown: out of the street or you are arrested. If disobeyed, immediately call for back-up and pursue/arrest Brown. Instead he slams into him, grabs him and pulls him on top of/towards him, creating an unnecessary altercation.

But of course you are taking the side of the white officer vs the black kid. And yes, despite your protestations it has everything do to "with race."

Brown wasn't simply walking down the street - he was walking down the MIDDLE of the street.

Which is why Ferguson PD was called in the first place.

The gun was discharged in the car.

This from a couple of experts.

But the public should not focus too heavily on the number of times Brown was shot, two experts on police force told us. It sounds excessive when you hear that a police officer shot a suspect multiple times, but these experts say cops often have very good reasons for doing so.

"Hollywood has us believing that if you shoot someone once or twice, they fall," a former police chief told us over the phone. But, he added, "I've seen people shot many times, and they don't even slow down."

Police often keep firing because they don't even realize they hit the person, Drago says. Cops are also taught to fire three times before reassessing the threat — a procedure known as "triple tap.”

"It is not at all unusual for officers to fire multiple rounds, once they begin to fire," Kennedy said in an email message, noting as Drago did that bullets often don't "take immediate effect."

Doesn't matter. If he was attempting to injure the cop earlier, the cop was attempting to stop a criminal who committed attempted murder from fleeing the area and endangering the public. His location should be irrelevant.

MarathonMind wrote:

The gun was discharged in the car.

It turns out Brown was nowhere close to the gun when he was shot.