Bill O'Reiley in Hot Water

SonNative wrote:

I find it hard to believe. Knowing O'Reiley the way we do, could he have done it or it is just an issue of a 33 year old woman's attempt to strike gold?

from all accounts, o'reilly is an ass to work with, and a self described "cocky bastard."

he is also a proven liar.

he has created a fictional persona on the air - a sort of working class guy who is a straight shooter, an independent who calls BS on both sides. but its simply not true.

all of this doesn't mean crap whether he did or did not harass his producer.

Yeah, O'Reilly is almost 100 percent mendacious, and doesn't even seem to realize it. Plus he complains about plummeting moral standards and then loves to run stories with salacious sexual content. That having been said, I don't particularly wish to see his career ruined. I don't take delight in other people's miseries. Not unless they're, say, Sean Hannity.

O'Reilly is in the midst of a tour promoting his book for kids and he's been getting pretty sympathetic nonjudgemental receptions on TV shows many people on here would probably erroneously consider to be "lib."

I too had my doubts when I heard about this yesterday having defended these cases as a trial lawyer.

This morning I had the opportunity to read the complaint. It contains very specific and detailed incidents. In fact, in one incident, there was a friend of the Plaintiff's present. The Plaintiff details specific restaurants where they were having business dinners and very specific conversations. Usually, in the fictional cases that some bring, the allegations usually lack any specificity whatsoever. Also, there were allegations of telephone calls (phone records)that progressively became more explicit each week. Lastly, there are allegations that others were subjected to this kind of behavior.

I suspect this case is going to boil down to corroborating witnesses. If some other females come out of the woodwork and make similar complaints, O'Reilly's goose is cooked. If O'Reilly did do this, this is not the first time. Usually, sexual harassers have done this before and each time they push the envelope a little farther. First it starts out as flirting. Maybe with the next person it becomes flirting and some off hand comments. Later it becomes similar to the allegations made by the Plaintiff.

I hope it is all bullshit b/c I would hate to see this guy's career ruined, but time will tell.

She's got those conversations on tape. She tried to negotiate, he called her bluff, now he's gonna get bent over.

She is a runner. a 30 minute 5Ker:

445 204 Andrea Mackris 30 NY 30:47 29:51 9:37 29:51 513

www.nyrrc.org/race/2001/r0513a04.htm

well, if she's a 30 minute 5ker then I hope she loses and loses bad. Now if this were Shalane or Kim Smith, then I might be a bit more sympathetic.

Has anybody else read the who complaint she filed yet? I read it on thesmokinggun.com and it's pretty funny, in a horrible horrible way. If that all is indeed true, then O'Reilly is going down and going down hard. But I think he is probably not guilty.

So you pick up the phone and it is your boss. It is obvious that he/she wants to have phone sex with you. So you stay on the phone while they masterbate. Yeah. The first thing you think about is how this person controls yoru livelihood so you better stay on the phone.

I work in TV. It's filled with whores looking to strike gold no matter what area of the biz. She hit her 30's, and decided to make a move. Her boss at CNN was fired for sexual harrassment, now this. Just in time for election season! Sure, O'Reilly could be the biggest lout out there, but her story comes off as cock and bull. So much of this crap is bogus these days it's hard to take her seriously. Look at all the "hate crimes" in the US and Europe. In CA, it's a college professor faking them, and a black guy painting "KKK" on his car. In France, it turns out to be a rabbi burning down a synogogue. The world is filled with scammers. 90 grand a year to do nothing but book guests. But she needs the big score. What a cunt.

dude, she has the conversations recorded

o'reilly is screwed. She really does have tapes. how could Bill be so stupid as to say that filth over the phone?

I'm sorry, just READ the complaint.

Someone trying to just "get some money" DOES NOT make up details like that. There is just too much in the complaint for it to be B.S.. Its too detailed, and coming forward with something like that would be career suicide if it WAS false.

I work in TV, too. Was the CNN producer fired for a sexual harrassment claim that SHE had claimed?

I also know that all the majors (Disney, Fox, ABC, NBC, WB, CBS, etc) have a zero tolerance policy against sexual harrassment, so it looks like if even one shred of it is true, then it's bye-bye O'Rielly. Well, maybe not. Fox's "no tolerance" doesn't apply to on-air talent. Ask Tom Arnold and John Salley from "Best Damn Sports Show Period".

She's really hot. I can understand his desires.

I quotted the damn lawsuit verbatum and it got removed? What a crock.

"I'd take that fallafel and put it in your HOOHAA"

Does that work, censors?

9 wrote:

I quotted the damn lawsuit verbatum and it got removed? What a crock.

"I'd take that fallafel and put it in your HOOHAA"

Does that work, censors?

dude....same here...posted quote from lawsuit last nite.....gone today!

man, is this bangkok? jason?

"Defendant then stated he was going to Italy to meet the Pope, that his pregnant wife was staying at home with his daughter, and implied he was looking forward to some extra-marital dalliances with the "hot" Italian women."

whoa.......IF TRUE.....absolutely filthy on oreilly's part.

she has in lawsuit specific times, dates and quotes.....sounds as if she has actually proof w/tapes. oreilly wants court to give em to him and fox news.....he's conunersuing (to save face).

we shall see....we say what the courts did in kobe's case, buggled the documents released 'em and suchlike....this is fox news and their number 1 rated guyy....you know theyre pulling out all stops. prob find out whho she slept with in 11th grade.

the suit even quotes oreily as suching that fox news and the pres would crush anyone who came against him.

So because you "work in TV" and the "world is full of scammers" you know 100% that this girl is lying??? And I love how you basically generalize and say that pretty much most hate crimes one hears about are just instances of minorities lying to blame the good Christian white man. EXCELLENT. Women are "whores" and "cunt(s)" and jews and blacks regularly make up hate crimes.

Let me guess, you are voting for Bush, right??

You are a piece of work.

Personally, like the Kobe thing, at first glance, I have NO idea whehter it is true or not. Both possibilities seem realistic. But now according to the exact complaint here, and the fact that she might have phone records, it sounds more and more likely that O'Reiley is guilty. That is based on the FACTS, not some huge biased generalizations. But obviously I(we) don't know the whole story. Maybe he was set-up......but again, it is sounding like his goose is cooked.

My personal feelings about O'Reiley (not related to this case)? Sometimes he does a good job, but the bottom line is: no matter how many times you say you are "fair and balanced" and report in a "no spin zone", it doesn't necessarily make it so. He tries to be just towards the middle often enough so he can point to those occasional instances and say: "SEE....I am not to the right." Then he figures those occasional centrist/fair moments allow him to lean conservative/republican the majority of the time. And he does it BLATANTLY sometimes. Telling people that Osama bin Laden, if he watched the debates, would be "way more scared of Dick Cheney than John Edwards." So a very unsubtle way of saying: Osama wants Kerry to win. Yeah....very "fair and balanced." (not to mention an incredibly simplistic viewpoint, i.e, because Cheney is hawk and Edwards looks young, OBL is safer with Edwards as VP. Which leaves out the fact that Bush/Cheney let OBL get away and then attacked Iraq allowing Muslim sentiment to grow stronger against the US. A perfect scenario for Al Q recruitment).

Lastly, forgetting O'Reiley's viewpoints, he is just an arrogant jerk most of the time. I saw him "debate" a NY Times economics reporter (forget his name) on TIm Russert's program and......what a disgrace. He was shouting at the other guy (who was very mild mannered and civil), pointing his finger in his face, and name-calling. He acted like an ASS. And though he REGULARLY attacks the NY Times as being 100 % liberal, when the other guy made remarks about Fox News being a Repubclian mouthpiece, he blew up calling it a "cheap shot!" Apparently, what is good for the goose is NOT good for the gander in O'Reiley's world. Well, THIS goose is cooked, and yes, I am certainly glad to hear it (although as someone else mentioned, I would have preferred that it had been Hannity instead.....THAT guy deserves to be punched in the face repeatedly.)

I'm sort of curious if there are any other "liberal" types out there who avidly listen to "conservative" punditry shows like Rush, O'Reilly, or Hannity. Maybe I just listen so that I can get really pissed off or practice refuting illogical arguments.

H-2-Oh yeah wrote:

I'm sort of curious if there are any other "liberal" types out there who avidly listen to "conservative" punditry shows like Rush, O'Reilly, or Hannity. Maybe I just listen so that I can get really pissed off or practice refuting illogical arguments.

I'd be one of those types. I listen to Stern and flip to Rush during the commercials. The simplistic arguments made by Republican pundits are hillarious.

Stern is a morning show, 6-10 I believe

Rush is an afternoon show, noon-3, I believe.

Unless you're in a market where one or both are tape-delayed, how is is possible to flip from Stern to Rush during commercials?