RE: Cheating at Marathons

Anyone want to look up the RD's for these races?

Nevermind.

Here is one. It looks like all of those texas trail races have the same RD.

At the top of this page:

http://www.tejastrails.com/

joe@tejastrails.com

Contact for Guinness:

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/set-a-record/record-services-for-corporates/contact-us/

Flaw in your argument is that she was running 4 hour to 4:30 marathons in 2011. 10:16 is only 12 minute ave pace.

Having a close friend of Daren Fortney post an accusation also isn't a good argument. Fortney hasn't posted anything reasonable. They both look like sore losers.

Angela has been contacting Guinness for over a year. It used to be most in a calendar year. Angela goaded Guinness into changing the requirements for the most marathons in a year. Parvaneh Moayedi had beaten Angela at the record before Angela even applied. This whole thread is a construct by Angela Tortorice to try to regain a record that Angela lost by defaming another athlete.

Justice Now wrote:

Angela has been contacting Guinness for over a year. It used to be most in a calendar year. Angela goaded Guinness into changing the requirements for the most marathons in a year. Parvaneh Moayedi had beaten Angela at the record before Angela even applied. This whole thread is a construct by Angela Tortorice to try to regain a record that Angela lost by defaming another athlete.

I got a letter from her.

Tortorice is a fraud.

Not good enough wrote:

Flaw in your argument is that she was running 4 hour to 4:30 marathons in 2011. 10:16 is only 12 minute ave pace.

How many miles did she skip for those 4 hour marathons you speak of?

Let me simplify this for you. I looked up Cheryl Tulkoff. She's run 3:15 at Boston.

https://www.athlinks.com/athletes/64977374/Profile

So we know she's bonafide.

So let's just focus on their paces for the 7 legs of Wild Hare:

Cheryl Tulkoff _ 10:10:11

Pace: 10:06 12:19 11:18 11:22 12:21 13:25 13:53

Parvaneh Moayedi 10:16:39

Pace: 11:46 11:52 12:23 12:15 13:13 13:32 11:08

11 min pace is running. How did she do this after 42.5 miles?

MarathonMind wrote:

Let me simplify this for you. I looked up Cheryl Tulkoff. She's run 3:15 at Boston.

https://www.athlinks.com/athletes/64977374/Profile

So we know she's bonafide.

So let's just focus on their paces for the 7 legs of Wild Hare:

Cheryl Tulkoff _ 10:10:11

Pace: 10:06 12:19 11:18 11:22 12:21 13:25 13:53

Parvaneh Moayedi 10:16:39

Pace: 11:46 11:52 12:23 12:15 13:13 13:32 11:08

11 min pace is running. How did she do this after 42.5 miles?

When someone is capable of running 4:00 to 4:30 marathons every weekend an 11 minute pace is a relative walk even after 42 miles.

Of course when someone walks 3:00 hour half marathons they have no physical means of comparison.

If you've never tried an ultra, it seems pretty easy... run slower for longer. My first 50k, I had finished a few marathons and figured, eh, an extra five miles... and I'll be moving slower too... It killed me. The extra time on the feet is a lot harder than you realize. Same thing as ultras get longer. A pace that is easy to hold for a 5K is harder for a half marathon... same issue when you start converting marthon pace to ultras. More blisters, more GI issues, more hurt... A 4:30 marathon is 10:18ish, I think if you're fighting to do that, an 11:00 for a 40+race is just not in line with talent.

Plus, look at the runner rankings. Look at the talent of of other ultra runners putting those times on the clock.

Anyway - I think we all need to contact Guiness - thanks whoever looked up that thread - at a minimum, they need to verify her races that she runs... b/c those sound fihsy, but since she is the RD and there are no pics, its impossible to prove. So, I will encourage them to look at those first.

Dude. 4:30 marathoners DO NOT run 10 hour 50 milers. What planet on you on? If you are going to contest numbers at least have a clue what the hell you are talking about. Don't talk like a runner if you are not one yourself.

So Cheryl must know if Parvaneh Did 10:18 (legally)

Brojos, please contact Cheryl Tulkoff.

So this Cheryl sounds like the real deal. 10 hour 50-miler is a pretty smoking time. her 3:15 Boston also supports that. I bet if you put pics of these two women (Cheryl and PM) side by side and then asked if PM is capable of the same results one would probably fall over laughing. Let's fine a pic of Cheryl

Obviously not a runner wrote:

Dude. 4:30 marathoners DO NOT run 10 hour 50 milers. What planet on you on? If you are going to contest numbers at least have a clue what the hell you are talking about. Don't talk like a runner if you are not one yourself.

You're right. I ran a sub 10 hour. And I am on planet earth.

You are an crazy upper class twit who is also a loser and a quitter yet you judge others who are doing things that you can't do.

You suck

Sub 10 50 Miler wrote:

Obviously not a runner wrote:

Dude. 4:30 marathoners DO NOT run 10 hour 50 milers. What planet on you on? If you are going to contest numbers at least have a clue what the hell you are talking about. Don't talk like a runner if you are not one yourself.

You're right. I ran a sub 10 hour. And I am on planet earth.

You are an crazy upper class twit who is also a loser and a quitter yet you judge others who are doing things that you can't do.

You suck

I hit the button too fast.

I am a 4:30 marathoner who ran a sub 10 hour 50 miler.

So Denise is correct a 4:30 marathoner should be able to run faster than 10 hours. Since Denise can't run at all she doesn't know what she is talking about.

Ignorance is very important on this thread.

Cheryl's 3:15 Boston appears to be an outlier. That was 2009. Since then mostly a 4 to 5 hour marathoner. Although she does appear to be smoking' fit in her pictures for what that is worth.

The Big Picture wrote:

Cheryl's 3:15 Boston appears to be an outlier. That was 2009. Since then mostly a 4 to 5 hour marathoner. Although she does appear to be smoking' fit in her pictures for what that is worth.

Outliers mean you are accusing her of cheating. Spit it out and do it. No one can ever do better than they did before.

Outing cheaters at marathons. That is the only purpose of this thread! FOCUS people FOCUS for GOD sake FOCUS! Ni!

Absolutely not evidence of Cheryl cheating. She got in good shape, qualified for Boston in 2008, ran the race in a good time, and focused more on ultras after that. Just saying that if PM and Cheryl Tulkoff are both 4-5 hour marathoners currently, this result does not surprise me. This whole deal is devolving into a he said she said fiasco. Lots of circumstantial evidence against PM though. Would like to hear more from Thomas, Darren, and others but they seem reluctant to weigh in after their initial charges- strange.

The Wild Hare 50 accuser says Allen Lazenby saw PM cheat in that race point blank. I looked him up and he is or was an ultra runner. Anyone know him and if he is reliable or has any connections to the "threesome"?

Physical appearance wrote:

So this Cheryl sounds like the real deal. 10 hour 50-miler is a pretty smoking time. her 3:15 Boston also supports that. I bet if you put pics of these two women (Cheryl and PM) side by side and then asked if PM is capable of the same results one would probably fall over laughing. Let's fine a pic of Cheryl

You decide, Google Image 'cheryl tulkoff' then 'Parvaneh Moayedi', it's like the difference between Laurel & Hardy.